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Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by qiskit on Thursday March 17, 2022 @11:22AM (#30712119)
Message box: DO you want to watch this 2 min ad in order to browse your filesystem? [Yes] [No]?

Who am I kidding, why would they even give us the option. Microsoft said they were looking to put ads in their software and I guess they are following through on it.

Instead of the blue screen of death, we'll get the blue screen of ads.

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by raxxorrax on Thursday March 17, 2022 @11:49AM (#30712461)
This is basically intentionally sabotaging their own ecosystems. Try to find an expert on Microsoft technology and you will find an army of consultant grifters instead of technical knowledge. The problem seems to be getting worse. I think without the momentum of their office suite, corporate integration and PC gaming, Windows would probably quickly fade out.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by IYasha on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:28PM (#30712964)
It may sound unrealistic, but, this article and the overall tendencies in MS products gave me a weird idea that indeed someone in the position of power has decided to gradually bury Windows as a platform and shift people to Linux. Sounds like a nerd dream, but, something doesn't seem right with all of this...
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by smegger001 on Thursday March 17, 2022 @04:28PM (#30715530)
Because it will be in the form of a locked down android or chromebook-alike, where you don't have root/admin access or control of the device. Turns out Richard Stallman was right again Tivoization is bad. To bad Stallman has the charisma of well Stallman rather than say Jobs, the world would be a better place.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by mulmen on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:47PM (#30713192)
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

Microsoft is not an ally Linux needs.

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by cm2187 on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:42PM (#30713120)
It may be that the cost of maintaining this humongous pile of legacy code isn't justified by the revenues they think they can extract from it.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by Torwald on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:52PM (#30713265)
I think this is the right answer, compared with something the grandgrandparent touched upon: windows apps from third party vendors do not act as competitive advantage anymore. (This us also due to how Windows OEM contracts work.)
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by boringg on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:18PM (#30712824)
As soon as someone gets a better product than MS excel for the finance community they are in tough waters for relevancy. Gaming is the other one you pointed out.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by stjohnswarts on Thursday March 17, 2022 @03:23PM (#30714918)
I think this would be one of those you have to make it 5-10x better than the old product. Someone who spent ins and outs of learning Excel aren't going to move to anything new unless it is FAR better than Excel.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by 1_player on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:24PM (#30712886)
Is anyone seriously working on an Excel competitor, and not just clone? Serious question.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by mach1ne on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:31PM (#30712989)
The problem is that every Excel user is an Excel native. Your product would have to be magnitudes better than Excel to compensate for the cost of forcing everyone to give up their fluency in the software.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by cm2187 on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:49PM (#30713226)
It can be better. I am no mac user but from what I have seen, Apple's excel competitor has this concept that instead of an excel tab being a single grid, it is a canvas on which you can add tables, charts, etc. As a fairly advanced excel user, this makes so much more sense than Excel's approach.

VBA is kind of a wart in Office, hasn't been updated since 1998. They made an attempt of integrating a mini visual studio in Office with C#/VB.net (VSTA), then killed it.

I see many no code alternative poping up (Microsoft power suite, alteryx, etc). But all have a pretty steep learning curve, and frankly the people who are willing to invest the time to learn them migh as well pick up SQL or even python for the same effort.

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by Fuzzeh on Friday March 18, 2022 @04:17AM (#30719743)
"Numbers" is an abysmal product.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by cm2187 on Friday March 18, 2022 @04:59AM (#30719949)
I don't really use it, would be curious to know why?
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by Fuzzeh on Friday March 18, 2022 @01:59PM (#30725424)
It's not even close to being complete. Best described as "My First Spreadsheet". Excel (even libreoffice) are better by factors of 10.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by boringg on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:31PM (#30712994)
Easy way to get some serious premiums from MSFT buying your company if you ever tried to build a viable competitor. That said though you would watch your product get deep sixed if you sold
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by marcosdumay on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:29PM (#30712976)
The entire low-code/no-code markets are Excel competitors.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by 1_player on Thursday March 17, 2022 @02:39PM (#30714473)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but AFAICT no-code is just vaporware, while Excel is being used right now practically everywhere.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by marcosdumay on Thursday March 17, 2022 @04:29PM (#30715545)
There are plenty of no-code tools around. People use them every day.

You will probably not like them, but that doesn't make them vaporware.

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by 1_player on Friday March 18, 2022 @05:29AM (#30720098)
I admit my ignorance. Care to share the name of the most popular ones?
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by ghostbrainalpha on Friday March 18, 2022 @01:11PM (#30724805)
I've never agreed more with a Hacker News comment, about the "certified Microsoft experts".... does anyone know what led to this army of grifters?

Are their certifications just too easy to pass? Should they not have certifications and just have internal support teams?

Are Amazon AWS consultants turning into the same thing or does Amazon somehow do this process differently?

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by 0xffff2 on Thursday March 17, 2022 @02:17PM (#30714257)
>I think without the momentum of their office suite, corporate integration and PC gaming, Windows would probably quickly fade out.

Also the entire line of Adobe and Autodesk products. Photo editing, vector graphics and CAD in any form seems to be badly under served in Linux.

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by SteveNuts on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:09PM (#30712708)
Even in their 'modern' solutions such as Intune, the licensing models are so arcane and difficult to grow that you basically need an expert to figure it out. Microsoft really leans on their VAR network and I agree, it feels so inefficient
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by vladvasiliu on Thursday March 17, 2022 @03:33PM (#30715027)
> the licensing models are so arcane and difficult to grow that you basically need an expert to figure it out

This. Just had a call with MS today on a different matter, and the guy basically had no idea how licensing worked. All he could say was something like "we don't actively enforce those, so if you don't do anything ridiculous, we won't come banging on your door. But you should schedule a call with our licensing specialist who'll be able to help you out, just to be sure".

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by philistine on Friday March 18, 2022 @08:21AM (#30721246)
When you compare the sales of Android devices to the sale of PCs, in a sense Windows has already faded out.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by aksss on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:41PM (#30713114)
Aside from roads, clean water, etc., what have the Romans done for us? ;)
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by raxxorrax on Thursday March 17, 2022 @01:57PM (#30714038)
Perhaps they did a lot but their realm stopped existing some time ago. The reasons are still in dispute, so I don't know if it was due to advertising.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by fartcannon on Thursday March 17, 2022 @01:07PM (#30713412)
If the Romans were good people, they'd have shared the tech without all the killing/conquering.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by aksss on Thursday March 17, 2022 @01:35PM (#30713764)
If wishes were fishes, nobody would go hungry.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by pomian on Thursday March 17, 2022 @11:28AM (#30712179)
I think you are correct. Bit you just used the wrong command. I think better use case: you will watch this 2 min ad in order to browse your filesystem, ok?
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by qiskit on Thursday March 17, 2022 @11:35AM (#30712265)
Even better, just play the ad and after the ad finishes, give the user a quiz on the ad to make sure he was paying attention. If you score 80% on the quiz, then you can browse the filesystem. Otherwise, they have to watch the ad again.

Dark arts/dark patterns. I think microsoft just emailed me a job offer. Decisions, decisions.

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by sonicanatidae on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:18PM (#30712809)
There is already "work" being done to detect the user's eye focus. If the user looks away from the ad, the ad pauses, until the user refocuses on their garbage. Granted, for now, it's 20 mins of ads for free tickets, and it makes sense. We also know humans don't understand the word, "enough" when it comes to profits.

https://futurism.com/moviepass-eye-tracking-ads

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by thegtproject on Friday March 18, 2022 @01:05AM (#30718906)
I feel like a captcha needs to be in there somewhere as well.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by cbfrench on Thursday March 17, 2022 @11:56AM (#30712552)
If you wait too long to respond, Clippy pops up:

“It looks like you’re having trouble cooperating as a willing participant in enforced consumerism. Would you like some help?”

> Yes.

> Yes, please.

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by wlesieutre on Thursday March 17, 2022 @11:31AM (#30712224)
The search box is a favorite place for Microsoft to stuff things that you don't want while pretending it's trying to present you with useful information.

Wouldn't you like to have some autoplaying video ads in there?

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by cm2187 on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:51PM (#30713246)
That's while you are waiting the 2min it takes to search a file using Windows explorer (for a directory tree that it takes me milliseconds to traverse programmatically).
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by krono on Thursday March 17, 2022 @11:47AM (#30712430)

  > Watch now
    Maybe later
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by mirntyfirty on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:06PM (#30712671)
The maybe later option will be in tiny print in the corner with a background that doesn’t contrast much and will be followed by “are you sure?”
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by IYasha on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:30PM (#30712981)
and you'll have to solve CAPTCHA, obligatory.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by beefield on Thursday March 17, 2022 @02:12PM (#30714202)
Just got an startup idea from hell. Why nobody does CAPTCHAs that are based on ads?
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by mirntyfirty on Friday March 18, 2022 @02:04PM (#30725497)
Shouldn’t say that out loud, instant unicorn
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by moltke on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:11PM (#30712728)
Eventually a Windows update will include a "portal to Hell" feature and people will keep using it saying something like "the demons are really annoying but I need Office and don't want to learn a new UI."
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by buo on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:46PM (#30713176)
You joke, but note this quote from the article:

> A broad assumption like "you're in your documents folder; let me suggest other > things related to documents" is annoying, but it doesn't feel particularly > invasive.

It's truly amazing what people will put up with. Reminds me of the lobsters sitting in increasingly hot water, never noticing until they're boiled alive.

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by boringg on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:16PM (#30712784)
I mean already they immediately lock you out of editing anything in MS suite if you let your sub lapse - or in the of my elderly parents they forgot each others passwords and get confused.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by 1_player on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:25PM (#30712920)
"In 2003 I had a problem setting up Bluetooth in Ubuntu, so I'd rather stick with Windows, thanks."
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by IYasha on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:32PM (#30713002)
To be fair, I had a royal pain transferring file over Bluetooth from Android phone to Ubuntu laptop a month ago. And MTP was almost as painful too.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by idrios on Thursday March 17, 2022 @12:48PM (#30713203)
Did you have success with that eventually? I tried doing that a few years ago and gave up entirely, convinced myself that it was an impossible task and that the thought that I could was a misunderstanding of how Bluetooth works.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by IYasha on Thursday March 17, 2022 @03:13PM (#30714828)
I ended up with device listed as "paired" while the process have clearly failed (with a message :) ). And while incoming files were detected, request for save never followed. I've transferred file using MTP over USB, but in that case it interrupted on every action (like changing directory) requiring to re-enter "file transfer mode" on the phone.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by idrios on Thursday March 17, 2022 @04:25PM (#30715504)
Dang, congrats. My phone's usb port was damaged at the time and I couldn't maintain usb connection long enough to get file transfer working. Think I tried ssh'ing into my phone after that and was immediately in over my head. Tried emailing the file to myself but my email provider wasn't letting me open it on that grounds that it thought it was a virus (was an apk file). I don't even remember how I ended up getting it working.

And as I think about it, I think I did get to the same spot as you, with the device 'paired' but not really. My theory now is that bluetooth works on a controller/client relationship, and that both your laptop and phone are trying to be controller and are thus incompatible with each other, while things like headphones would be clients. Would love to know if someone more familiar with bluetooth could correct me.

Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by IYasha on Saturday March 19, 2022 @03:10AM (#30731831)
Eureka: I forgot about ADB! Next time I'll just "adb pull". But that's only convenient if you know exact path. And have dev mode working.
Re:Microsoft accidentally reveals that it is testing ads in ... by jcuenod on Thursday March 17, 2022 @01:55PM (#30714022)
To this day I end up using `python -m http.server` (sometimes sending myself a url) to send files over wifi rather than try to wrangle bluetooth.