Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by _greim_ on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @04:43PM
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> There's a pro-DST lobby because more post-work daylight hours is correlated with higher consumer spending. For that reason, permanent DST is more politically expedient in relation to permanent standard time.
You're probably overthinking this. Not every government action is a five-level Machiavellian scheme. Sometimes overwhelming public sentiment carries the day.
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by KerrAvon on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @04:49PM
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Rubio literally said they did this after talking with airline/hospitality lobbyists.
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by asdff on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @07:24PM
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I believe he mentioned that when citing the delay until 2023 to give these industries time to update their systems
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by throitallaway on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @04:59PM
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To be fair, economic incentives seem to be what drives most decisions.
https://www.npr.org/2021/11/01/1050492391/daylight-saving-ti...
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by aiisjustanif on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @05:54PM
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I wish we could change the phrase “economic incentive”.
At the very essence of Economics it is the focus on actions human beings, fundamentally trade and labor. And it seeks the most optimal level of benefit or utility for humans.
This is an incentive for companies, not necessarily humanity.
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by throitallaway on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @06:14PM
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Corporations are people, my friend. At least in the US.
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by asdff on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @07:28PM
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Standard time just sucks. If you work or do after school activities, you simply stop seeing the sun in the wintertime during the week. Its set by 5:30pm when things have wrapped up for you, and it rises just as you are getting into work or school. You spend the entire day indoors and don't see the sunlight until clocks change in the spring.
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by _ph_ on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @07:36PM
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I don't know whether there is such a lobby, but if there is, they fall victim to the same mistake as many other proponents of permanent DST: society is highly synchronized with the movement of the sun. Permanent DST means that timetables are going to be adjusted over time to compensate for it and no one is getting out of work earlier before sunset.
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by qubitcoder on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @09:32PM
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I think you might have this backwards.
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by stjohnswarts on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @12:09AM
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lol what? This gives you an extra hour to enjoy sunlight in the afternoon. Do you think employers are going to move from 8-5 to 10-7 just so you won't be able to enjoy a bit of sunlight?
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by captainmuon on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @02:23AM
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This is what happens in places with extreme differences between clock time and solar time, for example west China.
Schools, work shifts, shop opening hours move over time to fit im the light window.
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by yosito on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @08:44AM
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And this is why I wake up at 4:30am during the summer in Hungary.
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by _ph_ on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @06:42AM
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No, they wouldn't shift the work times to prevent you from enjoying a bit of sunlight. They would shift the work times if people have problems getting awake for work in the morning or are late as they have to bring their children to school, which is probably going to be later than before.
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by tempestn on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @05:42PM
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I think school hours are mostly set as early as they are to allow parents to get kids to school before going to work.
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by jonahhorowitz on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @06:04PM
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If this was rational, you'd be able to drop your kids off on the way to work and pick them up on the way home (ie: 8am to 6pm or something similar).
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by tempestn on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @10:07PM
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Except that would be way too long for most kids. After school care does exist in many places to bridge the gap though.
Re:US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time...
by stjohnswarts on Wednesday March 16, 2022 @12:07AM
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There are also a lot of people that just prefer as much sunlight after work (and school!) as possible.
There's a pro-DST lobby because more post-work daylight hours is correlated with higher consumer spending. For that reason, permanent DST is more politically expedient in relation to permanent standard time.
> And if people want to have more light in the evening, then they just leave work earlier. Surely that is easier than permanent daylight savings time.
I don't think it's possible to lobby employers to change their shift hours. It is, in fact, much easier to lobby the government to change the clocks.
> I predict a lot of people will want to move school start to a later hour then.
This is probably a good idea, though... good ideas don't really seem to have much bearing on the way we arrange school schedules.