Or the people that prefer to have a contiguous time span for their leisure, instead of a couple of hours in the morning and then a few more in the evening.

Yet who has thought of the corn, the oat, the wheat in all of this? Who has thought of the oak and maple, the petal of the rose, the daisy?

None, I suppose, and so with less light available to them, the american farmer will once again lose ground to competitors in other, more sane nations.

Corn, oat, wheat, oak, maple, rose, and daisies do not sleep, nor do they have the concept of daylight savings or standard time. They will get literally the same amount of light as before, and farmers generally will work from sunrise regardless if their clocks say 5AM or 6AM.

Whoosh.

Thanks to the Ent lobby, an amendment has been proposed to this bill to keep changing the clocks specifically within the bounds of farms, orchards, timberlands, and national parks. We must keep American foliage the greatest on Earth.

Is this a poorly executed joke?

I thought it was a well executed joke myself.

Oh look another person who goes to bed too early and rises before the sun. Yet again they want society to cater to them even though the rest of society prefers to rise later in the day.

I bet they’ll tell everyone else they’re lazy like my 95yo grandfather did when he woke up at 4am.

/s

Can’t we all just accept that everyone’s body is different and has different preferences. There is a measured Gaussian distribution in rise times for humans like everything else.

That's unreasonably snarky. I didn't much like waking up at 4 AM when I had to.

The point is, it's better to rise with the sun and still have time to get ready before work. Americans get up before 7 AM: https://www.vox.com/2016/5/10/11639214/how-people-around-the...

We should line up sunrise closer to the center of that distribution. This law does the opposite.

Please explain to us, what precisely is "on time" and why do you think that such a time is universal for all people, regardless of background or circumstance? The more detail the better please.

"On time" is obviously whatever time somebody has to go to bed to get enough sleep and get up in time for their schedule.

People don't like going to bed on time because they don't like discipline.

So instead of learning some, like their parents should have taught them, they complain and demand the schedule move because it's "too hard".

When I started working I had to be there at 7 AM every day no matter what so I got disciplined and grew up.

Today's new hires want to come in late all the time and complain that they can't get enough sleep when they should be going to bed earlier instead of going out drinking on a weekday or staying up playing fort nite or whatever.

Spend less time complaining about those whippersnappers being on your lawn and listening to rock and roll. Maybe you too could be fun and enjoy life.

Is it enjoyable for most people to get up and be at work at 7? No. Why tolerate it just because parents generation tolerated it? Old people also tolerated polio. People aren’t more productive at one time versus another, especially if they’re being forced against their will to lose sleep for no good reason.

There is nothing wrong with starting work later- especially if you’re still getting all your work done during the day anyways. Young people who roll into work at a healthy time probably outperform all the curmudgeony old people who are miserable anyways. I start work at 10am and get more done than coworkers who start at 7. It’s just simply false to assume earlier is better. I perform way better now than when I arrived early.

We should be encouraging people to care less about their work and more about having fun. Work is not the purpose for your life. There is nothing wrong with drinking with friends on a weekday or playing Fortnite in the evening.

You could try being less snarky, it's not necessary. Despite what you clearly think, I'm a young person. I think your perception is biased by working in tech (which most people on this site do) with lots of young people. Americans get up before 7: https://www.vox.com/2016/5/10/11639214/how-people-around-the...

So, we should make sunrise closer to that, not further away. My above point stands: young people want to move things later because they like staying out, staying up, etc. They learn to curb this as they get older, but this generation is trying to move time instead of growing up. Peter pan can't stay out all night playing when he has a real job in the morning.

1. I like the snarky tone. I feel like it goes reasonably well against condensation. That whole Peter Pan quip is BS virtue signaling against nothing.

2. It’s a public forum. Lots of people hold beliefs that rising early is somehow “better” or less lazy or something. That belief is more strongly held amongst old people when the 20th century culture pushed it on people. It’s as much for you as for others.

3. Do people get up before 7 because they want to or have to. My point still stands that we shouldn’t force a schedule on people (my argument falls a bit for service workers I admit where time open is actually impactful on revenue).

3. No young people are not trying to move this because they don’t want to learn. There is a natural distribution in times when people naturally rise. I happen to naturally rise around 9, so i like to start work at 10, and thats at the far end, so i've become a strong advocate for this. It’s not natural to put everyone on the same schedule when there is no valid reason. This generation is the first one to truly call BS on applying farmers' schedules to all of society. Why must software engineers start work at 7 and not 9? There is no good reason. It does not improve productivity, it is not required for business.

4. Why is your way the right way? What about if 10am was the natural start of work time? All those 7am’ers are just trying to end work at 3 so they don’t have to work till EOD. SMH they get so sleepy they can’t do the rest of their life past 5pm. They need to learn to drink a coffee and keep working instead of being lazy and going to bed before society is done with the day.

5. This bill is sponsored by Rubio, who i don't think is a fan fav among the young, so idt it should be seen as "this generation" passing the bill. Besides, similar bills have been proposed for generations.

When I was in college I scheduled my classes late so I could sleep in. When I graduated college I moved abroad and taught at a school where I had to show up at 7AM showered in a shirt and tie. It kind of sucked, but I was able to make it work. When I got back stateside, I started a software job where I didn’t need to be in the office until 10 and only had to commute 4 days a week. It was awesome.

Sample size of one sure, but I had no problem developing discipline when I needed it, and was happy to discard it and stay up later when I didn’t. I don’t know what you’re so worked up about here.

OK boomer, thanks for the info. For a moment there I though you might have something novel to say. Enjoy grinding all these axes until your blessed retirement.

> Don't be snarky.

> Please don't post shallow dismissals.

HN Guidelines, https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Who said I'm a Boomer, anyway? I don't see the problem with pointing out that a reasonable wake up time helps push people to get over their perpetual adolescence.

You're up and down these comments stoking argument apparently intentionally through your own tone and diction (and if not intentional it is a miracle of coincidence). I think it's a little more than disingenuous for you to be saying "but the rules" when your own conduct is what's driving people to the point where the extra effort to converse civilly with you is not warranted.

Boomer is a state of mind, and "reasonable" wake up time is arbitrary and varies case by case. If people have responsibilities that allow for waking up later in the morning then it is hardly adolescent to be able to wake up later, irrespective of when the sun rises.

Very interesting way of expressing your preference.

Personally, I'm agnostic. I prefer to be an early riser most days and it does suit me better on the whole. But it's also great in the summer to have more time in the evening to socialize with my friends who work a 9-5 and are only available on weekdays after work.

Do you have any friends that you would like to socialize with in the summer on weekdays after work?

Yes sometimes we'll meet for dinner. But more often we meet for breakfast before work. This is actually very common in most of the country outside of the tech job bubble that makes up most of this site.

Then meet them for dinner instead of breakfast, when you're more rushed because there is work after your meal anyway. Or simply meet them for lunch instead, as most people in the country do.

And what if it’s less common than you say and you’d just have to accept that you’re in the minority here? Do you think that (right or wrong) could have anything to do with what’s going on?