EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batteries in household items

Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by imglorp on Sunday March 13, 2022 @10:35AM (#30661548)

Yeah motors are expensive, but I have saved so many large appliances needing a minor component from the trash with a little basic troubleshooting and a site like appliancepartspros. So often, it's a sensor, a pawl, heating element, belt, or roller that's 1% of the machine's price. This is in reach of anyone with a few hand tools and the internet.

A repair company (always 3rd party now) will charge %50 of the machine's price for a trip charge, marked up parts, and labor.

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Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by adhesive_wombat on Sunday March 13, 2022 @10:59AM (#30661775)

Oooh yes, don't get me started on inaccessible little plastic sacrificial parts. Yes, having one part be sacrificial to protect the others is good engineering, but only if it's also easily replaced and inexpensive. If you can't get replacements or they're 3 hours of disassembly away, that's just planned obsolesce in a dress.

And the number of times I've broken a little plastic tab! How much can it cost to put a extra 0.5mm of plastic in the mould just there? What fraction of a penny was saved and now requires a whole new part, comprising probably at least thousands of times more material plus shipping energy?

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Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by ethbr0 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @11:16AM (#30661948)

Re: sacrificial parts, I recently had to rebuild a two-car wood (read: heavy) torsion spring garage door system.

The cleverest part was the plastic coupler [0] between the door-connected shaft and motor.

When the system originally locked up, the coupler broke. Consequently after restoring the system, I needed a $9 piece of plastic, rather than a $xxx new motor.

Made me sad that more modern things aren't designed with such value-protective degradation modes.

[0] https://www.amazon.com/LiftMaster-Coupler-Chamberlain-Crafts...

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Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by a_mechanic on Monday March 14, 2022 @10:24PM (#30681055)

FYI motor couplings are not typically designed to fail as a method of protecting the motor. Overload protection is usually handled electrically, with fuses/circuit breaker which will remove power when too much load is applied to the motor (stuck door) or via controller board and load sensing.

https://www.prairielectric.com/blog/how-do-circuit-breakers-...

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Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by bombcar on Sunday March 13, 2022 @11:22AM (#30661993)

Even better - just ship with a few extra parts slipped in. I’ve actually seen this - extra screws and clips right inside the cover just like extra buttons sewed into the corner of a shirt.

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Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by jacquesm on Sunday March 13, 2022 @03:38PM (#30664935)

A lot of those plastic tabs work just fine when something is just made because the plasticizer is still present abundantly, then later, when it has evaporated the parts become brittle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasticizer

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Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by xyzzy_plugh on Sunday March 13, 2022 @11:19AM (#30661973)

There is no cost savings associated with the size of tabs, for example. It's an assembly thing. Usually you want the easiest to assemble as labor and QA is expensive. Ease of disassembly has by comparison very little upfront value.

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Re:EU to make it mandatory to use customer-replaceable batte... by bcrosby95 on Sunday March 13, 2022 @06:33PM (#30666397)

I had a motor go out on my dishwasher. When looking online it seemed common - apparently a shaft or ball bearing somewhere in it wears out in 2-3 years which makes it so it can't spin anymore. There were full instructions on how to replace this piece of the motor that costs a few cents.

That said, I noticed LG offered a 10 year warranty on the same motor, so I decided to buy a new dishwasher instead.

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