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Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by jahewson on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:56PM (#30655296)
Outside of pumped hydro, storage is very expensive. Would need something like a 15x reduction in storage costs to be competitive with nuclear.
Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by tenuousemphasis on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:12PM (#30655938)
And pumped hydro isn't a panacea either.

https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/11/pump-up-the-storage/

Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by pfdietz on Sunday March 13, 2022 @08:31AM (#30660669)
That's nonsense.

https://model.energy/

Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by ComradePhil on Sunday March 13, 2022 @09:22AM (#30661002)
Would the people who built this cross a river which used to have an average depth of 5 feet in 2011 with a medival knight suit on?

If yes, they should do that. If no, they should take the website down and stop misleading people.

Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by pfdietz on Sunday March 13, 2022 @09:53AM (#30661209)
The argument you are trying to make there completely fails to defend the claim that storage need to be 15x cheaper for renewables to compete with nuclear.
Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by cm2187 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:27PM (#30655561)
And where do you build that hydro? I hear some people suggesting Europe using the valleys in Sweden and Norway. Imagine the EU electricity grid at the mercy of one of Putin’s submarines. The rest of Europe doesn’t have many valleys left to flood.
Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by ncmncm on Saturday March 12, 2022 @11:17PM (#30657913)
All you really need for pumped hydro is a hill. It's cheaper if there is a natural basin up there, but you can build sides of you need to.
Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by flor1s on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:04PM (#30655876)
Luckily Putin would never capture a nuclear plant.
Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by cm2187 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:09PM (#30655911)
He needs to pass through NATO forces and successfully prove the nuclear deterence wrong before you need to start worrying about that.
Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by stavros on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:02PM (#30656401)
Didn't he already capture Zaporizhzhia?
Re:Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite... by CRConrad on Sunday March 13, 2022 @07:45AM (#30660397)
That isn't on NATO territory. (Alack and alas.)

But yeah, neither are the Swedish river valleys (so far).