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Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by zwkrt on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:11AM (#30649581)
By the author's logic, public transportation also enables binge drinking. I think they just dont like driving drunk rich people as their source of income so they wrote a diary entry about it.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by rwl on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:33AM (#30649956)
Public transportation does enable drinking. That is one reason why young people move to, and like to live in, cities with public transportation.

But there are still huge, important differences between public transport and "ride sharing". Public transportation almost never takes you point to point. You are expected to navigate public transportation on your own, including getting in and out at the right stops. Public transportation usually has sharply reduced service several hours before bars close. You also need a ticket, which often means you must be sober enough to work a machine that only takes cash.

If public transport is your ride home, you need to be a lot more sober than the people the author is writing about.

There are important differences compared to taxis, too. To take a taxi, you must (often) be prepared to pay in cash. You must have enough verbal control to give your address.

It is not implausible that ride sharing apps enable a kind of binge drinking that is qualitatively different from the kind people do when they have to take another way home.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by fy20 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:40AM (#30649988)
> If public transport is your ride home, you need to be a lot more sober than the people the author is writing about

Having lived in London when I was younger I beg to differ. I only ended up at the last stop and having to walk home a couple of miles a few times. One time I managed to cycle from Leicester Square to Chelsea - I don't know why, I didn't live anywhere near Chelsea.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by LilBytes on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:44AM (#30650013)
Yeah before ride sharing in the UK and later Australia, I got the train home, fell asleep, woke up in the middle of nowhere as the sun crept into view at least half a dozen times.

Ride sharing certainly increased my chances of getting home successfully, though my anecdotal experience is it wouldn't have had an impact on levity or intoxication.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by FpUser on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:11AM (#30650121)
I was in London on some software related business. So those brits invited me for a lunch at about 11AM. All came down to some place (my first time in London ever) and ordered pints. Talked a bit. Finished first pint then ordered another. After 5th pint I asked how about a lunch. This is a focken lunch was the answer. Loved those brits.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by bencollier49 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:07AM (#30650574)
I think the 1970s and '80s in the UK were the heyday for this sort of thing. Typically you'd have a couple of pints at lunch time - a lot of offices had bars (rather like coworking spaces today..) and often just stay in the pub. The drinking culture had got larger because of the growth of the middle class - more people moving into office jobs.

By the time I entered the workforce in 1999, this sort of thing was on the wane, although it varied enormously by industry and company. I think the change happened because of the increasing computerisation of jobs (where you could do more damage with the tap of a finger), in addition to women joining the workforce in more senior positions. And probably longer commutes, tougher drink-driving laws, and more formalised HR policies.

A small part of me is nostalgic for it, but it was obviously ridiculously unhealthy. That said, a lot of work was actually done in the pub, and it's possible that people found solutions with their social guard down that they wouldn't have found whilst in the office.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by FpUser on Saturday March 12, 2022 @09:26AM (#30651591)
>"By the time I entered the workforce in 1999"

This was the end of 1998. The company was traders and there were numerous bottles of hard alcohol in the open. I was amazed.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by bencollier49 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:47PM (#30654282)
Yeah, it hung on for ages in banking, didn't it? A lot of law firms still have a drinks trolley which goes around on Friday. Pretty sure banking is still pretty full-on.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by tomcam on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:56AM (#30650056)
Gemma was why. Or Fiona? Fiona.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by Broken_Hippo on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:19AM (#30650622)
FWIW: I can't remember the last time I paid cash for a bus or a taxi. You don't need enough verbal control to give your address: I've taken taxis and have had language communication issues: I just show them the address on a piece of paper.

I only need to be sober enough to walk a short way (Bus) or go up some stairs (Taxi). [most of the ride sharing is illegal here, as they are basically alternative taxis - though they still exist. The taxi service isn't all that expensive, though, and easy to get]

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by anamax on Saturday March 12, 2022 @10:30AM (#30652021)
> To take a taxi, you must (often) be prepared to pay in cash. You must have enough verbal control to give your address.

(Some) Taxi companies have apps too.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by robertlagrant on Sunday March 13, 2022 @01:43AM (#30658599)
> You must have enough verbal control to give your address

Showing a piece of paper with your address on it is not harder than using an app.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by Broken_Hippo on Sunday March 13, 2022 @02:33PM (#30664322)
That's a good tip if you have a language barrier as well.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by bbarnett on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:47AM (#30650024)
Public transportation does enable drinking.

No?! I grew up a 500 miles from public transportation, I assure you plenty of drinking happened in my community. And history is replete with people drinking in the past, more so than we drink now!

This part of your statement baffles me.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by brewdad on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:59AM (#30650074)
It enables "responsible" drinking. If I know I don't have to drive home, I can have that shot my buddy is pushing at me. After I've had that shot, me buying another round will seem like a great idea so I'll have another shot.

Rinse. Repeat.

I can't walk anything resembling a straight line by the end of the night but at least I won't be driving home drunk.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by kjkjadksj on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:31AM (#30650209)
Pretty common to use designated drivers before ubers. Every bar would also be able to call a cab for you, at least for bars that would have rideshare coverage today.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by mhh__ on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:31AM (#30650440)
My dad had to get a cab for one of his bar staff and take them to a hospital back in the 90s because he only thought to tell the management, on the re-opening night, that he was a haemophiliac - after he'd cut himself on a broken glass, and reminded himself he was a haemophiliac.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by mhh__ on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:28AM (#30650432)
This comment reads like you struggle with comprehension.

At no point, ever, did they say anything like public transport being a necessary condition to have people drinking. Come on.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by bbarnett on Saturday March 12, 2022 @09:52PM (#30657415)
That is one reason why young people move to, and like to live in, cities with public transportation.

I've simply never heard anyone suggest a move to the city, so they could drink more easily, or more often.

That includes people I grew up with in a rural setting, and people I know well in the large city I now live in.

I feel that this is perhaps a thought given rise, by people who haven't lived without public transit. It just doesn't scan.

Designated drivers have been a thing forever, as well as passing out on a buddy's couch.

If anything, people in rural areas seem to drink more, due to boredom, compared to city dwellers.

Maybe your experiences are different, but it sure seems strange on this side of the screen.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by xboxnolifes on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:20AM (#30650396)
The existence of drinking in areas with a lack of public transport does not disprove the claim that public transport enables drinking.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by sjf on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:52AM (#30649773)
Yeah, I don't get the point of this article, seems like venting mostly. They obviously resent being a 'designated driver on demand' but this is basically what an Uber driver is. It is also completely their choice to drive at the time when people are leaving bars.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by SkinTaco on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:27PM (#30655037)
> It is also completely their choice to drive at the time when people are leaving bars.

I browse a lot of driver subreddits (r/uberdrivers, r/doordash, r/doordash_drivers, etc) and it's surprisingly common to see people complain about things like this. Imo this is extra weird when you consider this is a major selling point of these apps - "You can work your own schedule and you won't have a boss to worry about" is part of the allure and is often even how the apps are advertised. I would be interested to know why this is such a common theme but people don't usually comment on the why on reddit

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by GekkePrutser on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:15PM (#30655970)
I can imagine you get a bit fed up with it after some guy pukes in your cab every night though.

But he didn't mention this in the article at all so apparently that's not his complaint. What he does complain about is indeed what a taxi service is for. I wouldn't call Uber a "rideshare" anymore, this is how it started but all Uber drivers are pros now. It's just a "taxi license (and worker rights) avoiding taxi service" now :P

The idea of ridesharing was that you'd take a trip to place X and people could chip in and join you for the trip. But literally nobody uses Uber for that anymore.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by beeboop on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:15PM (#30656494)
It's also a "filters out awful drivers" and "avoids price gouging and dishonest practices" service. I hope gig drivers get their rights better protected, but I hope we also never go back to the days of awful taxi drivers. As a plus it also eliminates dumb rent seeking from taxi medallion systems
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by GekkePrutser on Sunday March 13, 2022 @11:22AM (#30661997)
Taxi drivers here aren't bad at all but perhaps that depends on the city. Here in Europe I've only experienced this in Bucharest, Romania and there it's a known problem that has its origins in more general societal developments.

The license systems were indeed pretty bad, the scarcity made them artificially expensive which was pretty ridiculous. The problem was the investment that taxi drivers had made, it made it pretty much impossible to abandon the system.

Still I don't think Uber really helps the drivers. Now they have to share their already-low wage with a megacorporation.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by hackernewshell on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:39AM (#30650703)
Plus--I think he took creative license on the conversations.

"Hold her down, and I'll keep her mouth busy". And of course they ask him why he isn't laughing.

It just sounds made up for article dramitism.

Do people drink more because of cheap ride share--yes.

The problem is ride share is not cheap anymore.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by mvc on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:54AM (#30649781)
If they needed the barman's help to hail an Uber, I don't fancy their chances of getting home on public transport.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by bayesian_horse on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:13AM (#30649585)
You missed the hint about the domestic violence?
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by kortilla on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:44AM (#30649738)
Yes, the made up one. Do you think someone who spends $100 to get wasted at a bar and another $30 to get home is less likely to commit domestic violence than someone who can down a whole fifth of whiskey at home with no bartender supervision for $20?

Lyft and Uber do not enable binge drinking, they enable social binge drinking. The violent drunks I knew of growing up were plenty content on getting hammered at home and becoming violent. Most would become violent well after they would have been cutoff by a bartender.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by actionfromafar on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:25AM (#30650182)
I don't see any evidence your statement isn't made up either.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by kortilla on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:30PM (#30654121)
Well it’s pretty common knowledge that bartenders cutoff drunks and that alcohol is cheaper to consume in the home. Which of those would you like to dig into first?
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by actionfromafar on Sunday March 13, 2022 @10:01AM (#30661283)
None of those, but the implicit assumption that the pool of violent drunks won't increase when the bar (pun intended) for binge drinking in any setting is lowered.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by kjkjadksj on Saturday March 12, 2022 @04:33AM (#30650217)
All lyft and uber have done in terms of social drinking was give you an option to pay for a dd rather than have one of your friends on the role. This is probably still true today but bars can call taxis for you.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by bayesian_horse on Sunday March 13, 2022 @07:12AM (#30660209)
For me the point wasn't that much about enabling more domestic violence, but about being "in the loop" of that particular incident.

Also, yes, it is worse when the person is drinking out of the home, because that means family members have a lot less control over the drinking and less warning.

And domestic violence really doesn't have a high requirement of blood alcohol level. Even very minor levels can disinhibit a person, especially if he is already habituated to act out on his family members.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by Decker87 on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:27AM (#30649661)
So they don't like that either?
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by bayindirh on Saturday March 12, 2022 @02:51AM (#30649767)
And he backed his claims by some survey numbers, no?
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by Hendrikto on Saturday March 12, 2022 @03:25AM (#30649919)
He listed some survey numbers. They don’t back his claims though. Classic correlation vs causation.
Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by bayindirh on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:43AM (#30650489)
I don't agree. Convenience is a nice and valid reason to consume more and/or remove prohibitions.

When something is cheap, it's consumed more. When it's free of consequences, consuming more is easier. Like how iPhone created a spike in data usage, being not subject to DUI or reducing chances of immediate death is a nice excuse to remove prohibitions and consume more alcohol.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by belorn on Saturday March 12, 2022 @11:20AM (#30652400)
Sweden follow that path of logic by imposing over 100% taxes on alcohol in order to discourage consumption. When a cup of beer costs around $10 it quickly becomes very expensive to get drunk. The state also has a monopoly on sales outside of bars, and the store closes fairly early on Fridays, is only open during a short period on Saturdays, and fully closed on Sundays. All with the primary goal of limiting consumption by making the purchasing less spontaneous and less convenient.

There is however some debate if consumption is really reduced by making it expensive and inconvenient, and if it is simply a tax on poor people who are at work during weekdays.

Re:The Drunk Men I Drive Around Every Night (2020) by Hendrikto on Saturday March 12, 2022 @11:19AM (#30652393)
So you just speculate without evidence.

I can also speculate: Population centers have a higher density of bars and taxis. Simply because there is a larger client base.

Without evidence, you cannot tell.