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Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by systemvoltage on Friday March 11, 2022 @07:14PM (#30647724)
I strongly disagree and this kind of virtue signaling leaves a bad authoritarian taste. We used to look at amazing engineering in supercars, now all we hear about is woke fetish for reducing life quality, living in a pod and driving a scooter. The current trend is to ban all luxury and prevent people from excelling at craftsmanship. It gives people jobs, reduces income inequality (transfer of wealth from top to bottom) and propelling culture forward. Nevermind that.

All this is very perverse, like a race to the bottom with double-standards and contradictions everywhere. "For thee, not me".

Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by reanimus on Friday March 11, 2022 @07:17PM (#30647734)
Funny, living in cities that prioritize other modes of transport (biking, buses, trains, etc) has drastically improved my quality of life, as opposed to places that prioritize cars and inevitably end up being traffic-locked hellholes.
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by whatshisface on Friday March 11, 2022 @07:19PM (#30647755)
Living in cities that make you want to bike is good, you're choosing to bike and that means you're happier biking than driving. Living in a city based around driving when the government tries to ban ICEs is bad, because you wish you were allowed to drive. Good policy finds a way to align top-down directives with bottom-up preferences.
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by tobylane on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:13AM (#30650845)
Cities that promote cycling can often be better for the remaining drivers.
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by systemvoltage on Friday March 11, 2022 @07:17PM (#30647740)
I use public transportation as well. But I don't gawk at people that have Ferraris in disgust.
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by reanimus on Friday March 11, 2022 @07:24PM (#30647779)
1) this isn't a Ferrari, the article literally describes this car as an anti-Prius

2) even the most polluting Ferrari, which according to this page (1) emits 385g/km , is still almost a quarter less polluting than this car (506 g/km according to the article)

(1) https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/cars/Car-CO2-and-fuel-economy-mp...

Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by systemvoltage on Friday March 11, 2022 @07:28PM (#30647797)
Wait until you hear about this that enables a $2 Trillion dollar company and probably 95% of everything you own in your living room: https://www.transportenvironment.org/discover/shipping-emiss...

But hey look! That one car! Fuck that in particular.

Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by reanimus on Friday March 11, 2022 @07:29PM (#30647805)
Yes? An individual can't choose to revolutionize the shipping industry themselves but they sure as hell can choose a car that's not as polluting and less of a hazard to pedestrians. That's very much a personal choice that I'm happy to judge.
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by systemvoltage on Friday March 11, 2022 @07:41PM (#30647875)
> An individual can't choose to revolutionize the shipping industry

Yes, but this entire thread is about de-revolutionizing the car industry. People in China and India would like to have a word with us.

We should be working on sequestrating CO2 from the atmosphere using novel means (Solar, Nuclear), making breakthroughs in efficiency and promoting domestic manufacturing. I don't have the answers. I am just pointing out the double-standards that are hidden behind massive sweeping statements like "Ban all cars".

These discussions tend to be about one-upping each other instead of discussing fundamental issues and solving them. It is mostly political, not objective and shying away from confronting reality.

Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by reanimus on Friday March 11, 2022 @07:48PM (#30647907)
> Yes, but this entire thread is about de-revolutionizing the car industry

How is it de-revolutionizing to optimize away from massive, wasteful cars like this and towards more efficient cars -- or perhaps even systems where personal cars are done away with entirely as a necessity?

> People in China and India would like to have a word with us.

India has roughly half of the country not owning a car, and the US, Japan, and Mexico all manufacture more cars than them. Not sure what bone they'd have to pick in this fight other than you assuming they're invested in manufacturing cars?

> We should be working on sequestrating CO2 from the atmosphere using novel means (Solar, Nuclear), making breakthroughs in efficiency and promoting domestic manufacturing.

All true, but we can do all those while also disincentivizing wasteful cars like the one described in the article that serve as nothing more than dangerous, pedestrian-killing status symbols.

Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by eru on Friday March 11, 2022 @11:07PM (#30648917)
You quote those 95% as if it was a bad thing?

If anything, the more stuff they give everyone, the better their emissions look relatively.

Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by Zpalmtree on Saturday March 12, 2022 @12:38AM (#30649230)
Neat!
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by refurb on Friday March 11, 2022 @07:46PM (#30647900)
So you’re trying impose your lifestyle on others because it works for you?

No thanks!

Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by reanimus on Friday March 11, 2022 @07:52PM (#30647928)
Interestingly, when we live in a society where people disagree, this is exactly the way you can frame any policy you disagree with. Car owners have imposed their lifestyles on me my entire life. See? :)
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by refurb on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:45PM (#30648822)
Who is forcing you to drive a car? Didn’t you just say you didn’t?
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by reanimus on Saturday March 12, 2022 @12:09AM (#30649141)
Where did I say anyone was forcing me? I'm talking about the fact that most cities don't have car-less areas for pedestrians and bicyclists only, and that initiatives like the closure of JFK drive in SF to drivers being met with fierce resistance. Things like refusing to make protected bike lanes, refusing to build out adequate public transit, all in favor of... More highway lanes. More parking.

But sure, don't engage with the argument at hand, I guess.

Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by refurb on Saturday March 12, 2022 @01:11AM (#30649351)
What argument? You don't like cars, others do. You do you, don't try and tell others their choices are wrong.
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by em-bee on Friday March 11, 2022 @11:47PM (#30649068)
lack of public transportation, sidewalks and bikepaths, making cars the only option to get around.
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by refurb on Saturday March 12, 2022 @12:00AM (#30649109)
Right, but not forced since OP literally said "Funny, living in cities that prioritize other modes of transport (biking, buses, trains, etc) has drastically improved my quality of life"
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by em-bee on Saturday March 12, 2022 @05:38AM (#30650476)
it's forced since i need to live where the jobs are, and kids who can't drive need to live where their parents are.

we all need to be able live together, and just as a completely carless city is unrealistic, a car only city is no better, but the latter unfortunately is often the reality.

Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by refurb on Saturday March 12, 2022 @07:28AM (#30650916)
It’s certainly still an option. Just an option you’re not willing to trade off for.

I live without a car. Public transit suffices, I walk my kid to school.

Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by em-bee on Saturday March 12, 2022 @08:41AM (#30651258)
same here, but i have also lived in places where this wasn't an option.
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by 8note on Friday March 11, 2022 @08:13PM (#30648049)
We still look in awe at the amazing engineering in supercars. it's just that now, low to no carbon emissions is part of being an admirable super car. A gas guzzler is bad engineering
Re:To avoid Finland’s tax a 1,000HP imported Hennessey RAM i... by goodpoint on Saturday March 12, 2022 @06:54AM (#30650766)
> bad authoritarian taste

Imposing the emission of a 1000HP truck onto other people's lungs is a good example of bad taste.

Designing a car-centric society that denies access to good quality transit is authoritarian.

> excelling at craftsmanship. It gives people jobs, reduces income inequality (transfer of wealth from top to bottom) and propelling culture forward.

Citation desperately needed of all those claims.

> virtue signaling ... woke fetish

Spare us the dog whistles please.