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Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by hgomersall on Friday March 11, 2022 @09:29AM (#30640335)
It's much easier to maintain lifestyles by being more efficient than by any other means. Most energy is simply wasted. There is basically no downside to things like properly insulating houses (except perhaps the bottom line of the property developers).
Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by eropple on Friday March 11, 2022 @09:51AM (#30640581)
There isn't--if you can get materials. And afford them. The windows in my house are starting to go. I've probably got another five years or so before they're a problem, but they were the most obvious future expenditure when I bought the place. The windows that best hit the durability and insulation points that I expect, for living here for the next 10-15 years, are around $1100 apiece. $1800 for the bigger one in the middle of the bay window on the first floor.

Oh, and they also have a 9 month lead time, if you're lucky!

And this is after I've spent five figures opening every wall, heavily insulating the place, and buttoning it back up.

I'm not complaining personally; I can afford this okay, but it's impractical to expect even moderately well-off Americans to be able to. This isn't just about the bottom line of developers, 'cause most housing stock is already owned. We're probably looking at massive subsidies to make it happen, and significant resistance because doing it is a huge imposition (one I did willingly, but I knew I was getting into it) reliant on limited labor and materials.

Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by stickyricky on Friday March 11, 2022 @09:41AM (#30640464)
And air quality concerns. You need to ventilate your home with outside air year round.
Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by distances on Friday March 11, 2022 @09:47AM (#30640530)
In the Nordics the baseline is triple glazed windows and mechanical ventilation with exhaust air heat recovery. I'm sure doing the same elsewhere would be a good start at least
Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by stickyricky on Friday March 11, 2022 @09:55AM (#30640643)
Neither of those things matter for air exchange.
Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by distances on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:13AM (#30640858)
I don't think I then understood your comment about air quality concerns. What's the concern if ventilation works fine and energy efficiently?
Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by stickyricky on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:25AM (#30641015)
Place a well insulated wall in the middle of a field. Add a tripled glazed window and 100% efficient ventilation. Which side of the wall is warmer than the other?

Ideal indoor air quality is equal to outdoor air quality. This can only be achieved through air exchange. The ventilation process may be 100% efficient but the consequences of pumping outside air in and inside air out are the same. The air must be heated and costs some unit of energy to accomplish.

Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by distances on Friday March 11, 2022 @11:03AM (#30641528)
That's why the heat recovery is done. It of course doesn't get all the heat, but AFAIK can capture some 80%. This is in use and widely deployed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_recovery_ventilation

Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by throw0101a on Friday March 11, 2022 @08:00PM (#30647984)
> Ideal indoor air quality is equal to outdoor air quality.

Ideal indoor air quality is (can be) better than outdoor air quality. This is because when the outside air is brought in it passes through filters to get rid of things like dust and pollen.

> The air must be heated and costs some unit of energy to accomplish.

Unless you use passive solar thermal, i.e., let the sun heat the home:

* https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/passive-solar-home-design

Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by hgomersall on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:32AM (#30641092)
Modern mvhr systems are 90-odd% efficient. The losses through proper ventilation are small enough.
Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by throw0101a on Friday March 11, 2022 @07:54PM (#30647946)
> And air quality concerns. You need to ventilate your home with outside air year round.

Look up HRV/ERVs.

You'll have better air quality by building a tight envelope and using mechanical ventilation because all the air from the outside will flow through filters. It then gets tempered by the exhausted stale air before being circulated.

A leaky house and ventilation through windows was fine in the 1920s, but we've better ways now.

(And operable windows won't go away: they're mandated for fire egress. So you can crack one open if you wish.)

Re:Climate change won’t wait for future innovation – we need... by hgomersall on Friday March 11, 2022 @10:14AM (#30640863)
Ventilation and insulation are orthogonal. The passivhaus standard puts ventilation front and centre and has exceptionally high efficiency targets overall.