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Re:DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disin... by kube-system on Thursday March 10, 2022 @03:01PM (#30631697)
You have rediscovered why it is difficult to make a search engine. This is a problem that applies to all search results, not just politically charged content: human judgement is always required to write a search algorithm.
Re:DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disin... by gruez on Thursday March 10, 2022 @03:11PM (#30631808)
So where does that leave us? Everything is biased? What does that mean when applied to duckduckgo's tweet from 2019? It's just a hollow slogan? I'm not sure that changes the conclusion much. The first impression I got from reading the comment was that the tweet from 2019 was a hollow PR message that they don't stand behind.
Re:DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disin... by kube-system on Thursday March 10, 2022 @03:26PM (#30631975)
> So where does that leave us? Everything is biased?

Yes, humans have biases. There's not a way around it.

> What does that mean when applied to duckduckgo's tweet from 2019?

Yes, that tweet is obviously a vague marketing message, but if you read the entire quote in context, it was in reference to filter-bubble biases. It wasn't a claim that DDG employees are somehow superhuman creatures immune to human biases. Obviously that's a ridiculous interpretation.

Here's the source, in context:

https://spreadprivacy.com/why-use-duckduckgo-instead-of-goog...

Re:DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disin... by yifanl on Thursday March 10, 2022 @03:57PM (#30632324)
> So where does that leave us? Everything is biased?

Search results are created by humans and intended to be consumed by humans, so yes. (And just to head it off, a web crawler is ultimately just an abstraction for the humans who will later consume the search results, it just happens to have particularly fast and strict browsing habits)

Now that said, accepting that "(un)biased" is an extremely broad term, I'd very easily believe that the intent of the tweet was to point at some specific type of bias that DDG (at the time) intended to avoid.

Re:DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disin... by paulcole on Thursday March 10, 2022 @08:35PM (#30635101)
You should check out Algorithms of Oppression, a very good book about the exact topic you’re asking questions about.

Short answer yes, if humans are involved in making something it’s going to be subjected to the biases of those humans.

https://nyupress.org/9781479837243/algorithms-of-oppression/

Re:DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disin... by verisimi on Thursday March 10, 2022 @05:11PM (#30633183)
No - they are explicitly adding bias here. They are coding it into their algorithm.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if there weren't implicit biases already there.

But this is something new. Its overt, explicit.

Re:DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disin... by gibrown on Thursday March 10, 2022 @07:18PM (#30634480)
> they are explicitly adding bias here.

All search engines are explicitly biased. That is the point, they generate a ranking of results. Heck even how you tokenize text is an explicit bias of what you match against.

Re:DuckDuckGo “down-rank sites associated with Russian disin... by kube-system on Thursday March 10, 2022 @06:33PM (#30634106)
There is nothing about this that is close to new. Everyone who runs a real search engine on the public internet has a need to explicitly code in edge-cases from time to time.