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Re:U.S. warns against travel to New Zealand due to rising Co... by EdwardDiego on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @05:05PM (#30620596)
Our "big" problem is Omicron, which so far seems less lethal than all the other strains we were able to dodge.

Incidentally, any evidence that "natural immunity protection" is so much better than 3 doses of Pfizer that it would have been worth the excess deaths?

Re:U.S. warns against travel to New Zealand due to rising Co... by dekhn on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @06:15PM (#30621253)
I'm sorry, are you asking for some sort of paper that shows one thing or another? Most of my conclusions about this are based on consultations with the epidemiologists and disease scientists at my employer (a pharma company that vends COVID tests and treatments, among other things). I trust their verbal communications a lot more than what gets published in the literature now.

My point is that none of the analysis being done now controls for anything and there are a ton of different reporting systems which are being compared and people are pointing at one country or another as "having done the right thing". We simply don't have the epistemic certaintly to declare that specific techniques worked or didn't. That sort of certainty comes only after decades of people working the data over and over to identify and correct for a lot of stuff missed in the heat of the pandemic.

Re:U.S. warns against travel to New Zealand due to rising Co... by EdwardDiego on Tuesday March 15, 2022 @08:49PM (#30693920)
Yeah, a paper would be nice.

Like, let's say that natural immunity acquired from exposure to baseline SARS-CoV-2 meant that 99% of your population wouldn't die when other variants came through.

Would the deaths from the baseline virus be worth the protection conveyed against the other variants?

What _is_ the effectiveness of natural immunity from baseline Covid against Delta or Omicron? There must be some research, surely.

Re:U.S. warns against travel to New Zealand due to rising Co... by JPKab on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @06:52PM (#30621538)
There are a lot peer reviewed papers on this topic. Feel free to research them if you'd like.

A few studies to google:

CDC's January study, although that wasn't peer reviewed since it's published in MWMR, and those aren't peer reviewed.

Israel's large N study on natural immunity compared to not-previously infected, vaccinated population

Qatar's study with a sample size of 80,000 (If i recall the sample correctly)

Natural immunity conferred greater protection than vaccination alone for Delta. That's clear in these papers. Probably was not the case for previous variants, because the vaccines were generated from the earlier strain. I find it odd that there wasn't a concerted effort to "update" the vaccines with the newer genetic material for the more recent strains. Perhaps it wasn't sensible due to continued mutations inevitable with the virus.