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Re:We do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one by chii on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @09:12PM (#30610201)
> I’m very happy as a U.S. taxpayer to give the government of Ukraine nearly any military hardware they think will help.

unless it's a big piece of equipment that can make a real difference?

> oppose the Russian invasion of Ukraine

but not oppose enough to use force? I think that's just as useless as people saying they're sending "thoughts and prayers".

Against a sovereign entity that has disregarded international law, the only option is to use force for compliance.

Re:We do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one by CodeShmode on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @09:31PM (#30610295)
> but not oppose enough to use force? I think that's just as useless as people saying they're sending "thoughts and prayers".

All the weapons, sanctions and money are good as "thoughts and prayers"? Isn't the Ukraine military running primarily on donated Javelin and stringer missiles atm?

Re:We do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one by jvanderbot on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @09:35PM (#30610322)
If Ukraine housed all people, I'd say shoot down everything. It doesn't, and so (as the thinking goes) the world must simultaneously support the nascent democracy and also attempt to contain the violence. Otherwise, we really do risk escalation to WW3.

There are treaties in place for retaliation, but no such treaty existed for Ukraine.

A good book on these games is Strategy of Conflict.

Re:We do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one by thway0987 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @09:50PM (#30610386)
OP's point is that if as a result of an intervention that is perceived as too direct by Putin, Russia wipes out Ukraine completely it will be a net loss to Ukraine. If on top of that he also wipes out Poland, then the loss will be even more dire. Russia has weapons it hasn't used yet, conventional and nuclear.

We can take a gamble and decide that Putin will decide to retreat because Poland donated some planes to the Ukrainians, but how much do you believe that will happen?