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Re:Apple Mac Studio by yewenjie on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:31PM (#30605216)
Wait, how and why did Apple suddenly become cost-effective?
Re:Apple Mac Studio by ggreg84 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:39PM (#30605432)
When the M1 was released... a year ago...

You could buy a 900$ laptop with a better CPU than any laptop out there. 20 hours battery life (almost 3x any other laptop out there). Silent (no fans). With a great screen, a great keyboard, lightweight, well built, etc.

Basically a machine that was more than 2x cheaper of competing laptops at 2500 $ or more, yet had more than 2x of everything.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by newaccount74 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:45PM (#30605572)
... if you can live with machines that just come with the bare minimum RAM and SSD. If you get the Macs with the same amount of storage that the PCs come with, the $900 laptop quickly becomes a $2000 laptop.

I wish I could get back all the time I've wasted helping relatives deal with their Photos libraries and backups just because they got the entry level machine with skimpy storage...

Re:Apple Mac Studio by mardifoufs on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @03:18PM (#30606248)
I've had an 8gb macbook Air m1, and it's honestly never been an issue even for dev stuff since my workloads just wouldn't run on my local machine anyway. It's much, much less of an issue than on my Windows laptop with 8gb of ram, too.

As for storage, yeah 240gb is probably not ideal for most people but since I bought the air mostly as a lightweight device I can carry anywhere instead of a workstation (even though it's insanely powerful for what it is) it does not really matter in my case.

(This is my first Mac so I was very worried of the pretty limited ram since I had no idea how macOS deals with memory, but if it's fine for me I'd say it's fine for most normal/casual users)

Re:Apple Mac Studio by newaccount74 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @03:24PM (#30606348)
8GB RAM is fine as long as you don't try running multiple VMs or lots of docker containers. macOS is surprisingly good at dealing with limited RAM thanks to memory compression.

The small SSD is the bigger issue. If you use it as your main machine you will fill it up quickly and people then start doing stupid things like putting their Photos library on a USB stick or on an SD card, and that's just asking for trouble.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by chongli on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @07:52PM (#30609625)
Why not just run your VMs / containers on a beefy, cheap, off-the-shelf Linux server that you connect to over WiFi 6? You could also keep all your photos there (and back them up with cheap cloud storage).

Keep your daily driver lean and cheap (and easy to replace).

Re:Apple Mac Studio by genghizkhan on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @11:01PM (#30610791)
Because most people don't (and probably can't) do this. The best option for most people is to simply have more local storage so that they never run out.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by ghostly_s on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @03:23PM (#30606329)
How long did it take you to check the 'Optimize Storage' box?
Re:Apple Mac Studio by newaccount74 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @04:56PM (#30607691)
That's a somewhat recent addition, and it does help somewhat with the Photo library problem. It sucks if you don't have a fast internet connection, though. It also sucks if there's ever a problem with the photo library, because then you don't have a backup anymore.

Maybe 240GB are enough for light usage if you store photos in the cloud. I can only say that in my experience 1TB is the bare minimum if I don't want to spend half my time copying files around.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by r00fus on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @01:50AM (#30611616)
Optimize Storage has been there since like macOS 10.13 (2017). You're commenting about M1 machines released 2020.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by newaccount74 on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @04:17AM (#30612487)
Yeah, as I said, a somewhat recent addition. The problem with skimpy storage on base model Macs has been an issue for decades, and it has gotten worse since you can no longer upgrade with aftermarket parts.

"Optimize Storage" is a bandaid that helps make your Mac with too little storage usable. But it's not a great solution. You'll be looking at spinners a lot. It's just not a nice experience when every video you want to look at takes a few minutes to load.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by ghostly_s on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @12:56PM (#30617801)
These machines have several 40Gbps peripheral ports in the back.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by mhh__ on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @03:52PM (#30606761)
2x of everything apart from storage, ram, available software, ability to upgrade, ability to repair.

It was a fantastic product launch sure but it's not really fair to say it was 2x better on all metrics at a given price.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by codyb on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:34PM (#30605326)
Apple’s been fairly cost competitive for a while now. That’s an old trope, lots of their new stuff is similarly priced or in some cases cheaper than their competitors.

Given the longevity and resale value, they make great machines.

Re:Apple Mac Studio by brimble on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:44PM (#30605554)
They have been off-and-on. They had a few notable price cuts back in the twenty-teens that made them damned competitive. At times they've been a rip-off but most of the "LOL look how expensive Apple is" stuff achieves such large gaps by comparing them to significantly worse hardware and calling it "equivalent". Plus theirs is the only consumer phone and computer hardware with a healthy used market, so you don't take as big a hit on recoverable value as soon as you "drive it off the lot".
Re:Apple Mac Studio by selimnairb on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:50PM (#30605706)
Apple has consistently been cost-competitive since at least the Intel era, if you compare to mid- and high-end PC hardware. Apple never has made entry-level systems. Also, comparing to home-built doesn’t really count because most IT departments won’t support custom PCs.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by londons_explore on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @02:38PM (#30605425)
Apples stuff has been cost competitive since the M1 came out... Although it's partly because there isn't much else in the same performance envelope, so there isn't much to compare to.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by PaulDavisThe1st on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @07:18PM (#30609322)
uh, performance/power-consumption/volume combined, perhaps. But there are plenty of systems that can easily beat the apple M1 systems on a purely performance basis, both before they came out, and since. Especially true if you're working on CPUs not GPUs.
Re:Apple Mac Studio by gtm1260 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @03:16PM (#30606222)
Since M1 pretty much.