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Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by 8358373583 on Monday March 07, 2022 @06:41AM (#30586603)
That's only a choice for Putin and his inner circle. The wast majority of Russian people have nothing to do with what the state is doing.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by jnsaff2 on Monday March 07, 2022 @07:00AM (#30586734)
The vast majority approve of putin regime.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by walkhour on Monday March 07, 2022 @08:36AM (#30587538)
It's amazing how many people ignore this, pretending only a lonely lunatic thinks this is a good idea.

Putin's approval rating is at 70% [0]. From [1] (referring to the invasion of Crimea):

> President Putin's approval rating among the Russian public increased by nearly 10% since the crisis began, up to 71.6%, the highest in three years, according to a poll conducted by the All-Russian Center for Public Opinion Research, released on 19 March.[346] Additionally, the same poll showed that more than 90% of Russians supported unification with the Crimean Republic

So it looks to me that most Russians supported the Crimea invasion. Why would it be different now? I find it hard to believe that if Russia hadn't found such a stubborn resistance and would've been able to annex Ucrania quickly, which was what the Russian government thought would happen, in five years all the polls wouldn't show Russians supporting the invasion.

[0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-ra...

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_...

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by 8358373583 on Monday March 07, 2022 @10:06AM (#30588616)
Who collected those statistics and how closely connected are they with the state?
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by aufhebung on Monday March 07, 2022 @09:07AM (#30587934)
Putin has a 70% approval rating in the same way Stalin had near 100%.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by jnsaff2 on Monday March 07, 2022 @09:14AM (#30588020)
I get where you are coming from, but falsifying election results and population polling are a bit different. putin himself is polling very frequently to get feedback (or validation) and until a few weeks ago there were even somewhat credible polling agencies that showed lower numbers but still majority.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by justsomehnguy on Monday March 07, 2022 @10:10AM (#30588687)
> I get where you are coming from, but falsifying election results and population polling are a bit different

Do you remember "garbage in - garbage out"?

If people fed nothing but bravado on how the glorious leader shines the path to the wonderful future, how in the world they would see him in a negative light?

The last two years showed everyone what even the professionals are happy to spew an utter nonsense, directly contradicting their profession and education, just because they want to feel that way.

And remember - population polling gives you information on how people feel about something, not why do they feel that way.

PS:

"Let us ask your opinion on these matters:

1. How do you feel about our President?

#a I'm delighted to live in this glorious days and I'm fully supported our glorious leader!

#b I'm a shithead and prefer to spend the rest of my days in gulag."

Hyperbole, sure, but how the poll is constructed, where it was performed also matters.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by jnsaff2 on Monday March 07, 2022 @10:58AM (#30589306)
I kind of agree with you on "garbage in - garbage out" .. majority eats up garbage and therefore approve putin. Decision to eat garbage still lays with them.

On the other hand, I have a limited amount of empathy and at the moment it is being consumed by people who are actually being bombed by not their own government.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by justsomehnguy on Monday March 07, 2022 @11:26AM (#30589726)
> Decision to eat garbage still lays with them.

Hmm, no.

I would say believing that garbage is on them. [1]

But when you have nothing other than garbage?

Don't forget what this is the country where you can be detained for holding an invisible placard [0] - so saying something out of the party line is a quick way for the unemployment at least, hence the people who could had provided some other info (primarily on TV) have big incentives not to do so.

[0] https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-protest-arrests/25324619.html

[1] which is another joke because half of those people lived or at least were born when "government never tells the truth" was the default MO even for the government itself.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by jotm on Monday March 07, 2022 @12:34PM (#30590764)
Well, reading Youtube comments will make you want to puke on the whole of Russia. And no, there's zero chance it's all bots.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by satellite2 on Monday March 07, 2022 @07:37AM (#30587025)
The vast majority has no trusted source to understand Putin's regime
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by Koshkin on Monday March 07, 2022 @08:07AM (#30587273)
As long as the stomach is full, there is nothing to understand.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by notpachet on Monday March 07, 2022 @09:38AM (#30588311)
As long as the brain is full, there is nothing to eat!
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by ModernMech on Monday March 07, 2022 @08:03AM (#30587238)
Indeed hence why sanctions are so important. They act as a channel to tell them something is up with what their beloved leader is doing. The TV tells them their patriotic war is highly popular and well justified, yet they can’t buy iPhones anymore. Well, maybe just maybe they will wake up. Because people are protesting and going to jail there, so it’s not impossible to know what’s going on. It just takes the willingness not to dismiss anything against Putin as “fake news”.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by wongarsu on Monday March 07, 2022 @06:55AM (#30586691)
Any state ultimately derives its power from the people. There are countless examples of this, from peaceful protests to civil disobedience, violent revolutions and military coups.

Or from a different perspective: if the opinion of the citizens doesn't matter, then why is Putin shutting down independent journalism and turning up the propaganda in his own country? That only makes sense if he cares what the public thinks.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by ben_w on Monday March 07, 2022 @07:05AM (#30586771)
The very fact that opposing media is being shut down, matters.

Shutting down the media limits the average person’s reason to know there is even a thing to protest against.

It’s not absolute power over the people, but it does diminish the power of the people.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by SyzygistSix on Monday March 07, 2022 @08:56AM (#30587785)
It's also an obvious sign to anyone with half a brain that the remaining state run media is full of lies.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by ben_w on Monday March 07, 2022 @02:54PM (#30592546)
Harder to spot if you don’t have an outside view. From inside, all you hear and see is that the media which was shut down were “evil propagandist” aligned with $ENEMY who wanted to harm $NATION by spreading lies about $POLITICAL_BUZZWORD.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by 8358373583 on Monday March 07, 2022 @10:07AM (#30588627)
No a state derives its power from capacity for and willingness to use violence. The state is whatever group has the most of that in a given area. The population can obviously be a threat to a state, but it's ridiculous to expect people to risk their life to stop a state just because they happened to be born in its territory.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by ChuckNorris89 on Monday March 07, 2022 @07:08AM (#30586786)
>The wast majority of Russian people have nothing to do with what the state is doing.

Then they can all take to the streets and protest against the regime to make their PoV heard. Sure, the protesters will clash with the police/military who will use force against them, but if it's indeed the vast majority of people as you claim, against the regime, then the police/military cannot overwhelm over ~80 million people on the streets.

If the vast majority refuse to take to the streets in protest, then it means they silently or otherwise approve the government's actions. It's up to the Russian people to sort out their politics, by violent force if need be, if they're truly unhappy with the past 30 years of fake democracy and corruption among their leadership.

Same how in 1989 people and students in Romania took to the streets, en masse, to oust the dictator Nicolae Ceausescu, who refused to step down and had the military shoot the protestors. Spoiler alert: he still got ousted, so the excuse that "we can't protest in Russia against Putin" does not fly.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by hutrdvnj on Monday March 07, 2022 @07:25AM (#30586935)
Thing is that people in russia are flooded with false information and Putin propaganda. If you trust these kind of news (like many US citizens believe in stuff that Trump says including voter fraud), then there's no need for them to stand up. And everyone who is trying to tell the truth will go to prison.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by GekkePrutser on Monday March 07, 2022 @08:57AM (#30587809)
One thing that comes to mind about Ceausescu, when I visited his 'palace' (the people's house) was how many escape routes and hidden exits there were (including apparently a network of tunnels under the city)

For a man who is said to have thought the people deeply loved him, he sure was paranoid. Or maybe he actually knew how much people hated him and he was just fooling himself?

But Putin is nowhere as unpopular as Ceausescu was. His approval ratings that I've seen are no different from those of Western leaders. A lot of people there seem to believe Ukraine is full of Nazis. Nobody is going to storm his palace any time soon and I don't think the sanctions will help. They'll just reinforce his "the West is out to get us" narrative. Don't forget they don't have anything reminiscent of a free press anymore.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by hogrider on Monday March 07, 2022 @04:03PM (#30593291)
Why would they care so much about Ukraine so as to make a revolution out of it? The west can get so delusional...
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by account42 on Tuesday March 08, 2022 @07:38AM (#30599210)
The "west" is quite aware that the people of Russia are unlikely to stop this out of the goodness of their hearts. That's why there are sanctions.
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by ajuc on Monday March 07, 2022 @07:10AM (#30586810)
If even 10% of Russians protested Putin would cease to be a problem.

The problem is - as long as the economy is fine they don't care.

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by helge9210 on Monday March 07, 2022 @07:27AM (#30586954)
> The problem is - as long as the economy is fine they don't care

Personal anecdote:

In April 2010 I was protesting ratification of the so called "Kharkiv Pact" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv_Pact) in Kyiv. I remember a moment, when I was single-handedly pushing three rows of soldiers (national guard; they didn't really try) and almost no one else joined, one of the members of our group said to another: "There won't be a revolution today. Let's wait till they start losing money, then we'll try again".

Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by lisnake on Monday March 07, 2022 @08:04AM (#30587240)
Last year at least 60% of Belarus protested Lukaschenko, and did it for months. What good did that bring them? 10% is not nearly enough for Russian situation
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by sidibe on Monday March 07, 2022 @08:13AM (#30587311)
Probably would have been effective if not for Putin's support
Re:Russia to legalize software piracy by monocasa on Monday March 07, 2022 @10:42AM (#30589069)
Putin also has Putin's support.