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Re:Notes on Nationalism (1945) by bilbo0s on Sunday March 06, 2022 @04:55PM (#30581675)
Shared values and culture necessitate limited tolerance for diversity of thought.

That's just reality. You can't share values if you tolerate people thinking other values are better.

Culturally also. In the US, back when everyone ate chicken, spoke English, and went to some form of Christian church on Sundays, there was very little cultural diversity tolerated.

Chicken, English, and Church was the culture.

Re:Notes on Nationalism (1945) by systemvoltage on Sunday March 06, 2022 @05:51PM (#30582100)
> You can't share values if you tolerate people thinking other values are better.

It seems like a toxic, dystopian, totalitarian nightmare to live in a society like that. I want dissent. I want good debate. I want people to be able to call bullshit when it is. I want to bring down people that have posted up themselves to these unproductive positions, dogmatizing their ideology by force and by shame, not by good intent, listening to each other, and seeking truth and fairness.

Culture is "pull", not "push". You want to pull people with empathy, not supress them. No one is forcing people to wear British invented shirts and pants. They are because people choose to over their native dress. It is utilitarian, comfortable and superior.

Re:Notes on Nationalism (1945) by sangnoir on Sunday March 06, 2022 @07:47PM (#30582823)
> I want people to be able to call bullshit when it is.

If only there was a universal catalog of "bullshit" things. Since there isn't, it's common for those out of tune with the majority in one aspect to dislike their opinions being called out as bullshit, subjectively.

Re:Notes on Nationalism (1945) by systemvoltage on Monday March 07, 2022 @11:40PM (#30596517)
Claim: 1+2 = 4

Me: Bullshit!

It’s called logic and reasoning.

Re:Notes on Nationalism (1945) by sangnoir on Wednesday March 09, 2022 @12:54PM (#30617761)
Not leaving room for nuance is bullshit. As an example, for manufacturing engineering, "1 + 2 = 4" may be well within the tolerances. So, it being bullshit depends on the error bars (I get it, some people don't believe in the existence of error bars)
Re:Notes on Nationalism (1945) by FooBarBizBazz on Monday March 07, 2022 @09:13AM (#30588013)
What? Chicken is pretty new. It used to be a luxury. Industrial chicken farms didn't exist.