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Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by chungy on Sunday March 06, 2022 @03:26PM (#30580927)
> Hey, sorry for all the name changes of Microsoft Defender.

Let's be fair, naming is not a strength of Microsoft. It seems that every product other than Windows and Office is renamed every couple of weeks; and even in those two examples, explosions of SKUs manages to muddle the waters just as well (Apple's "Choose a Vista" was very much on-point, even if you preferred Windows over Mac).

Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by matthewfcarlson on Sunday March 06, 2022 @04:36PM (#30581508)
When I was at microsoft, I campaigned hard that we should name windows releases after dog breeds. Apple did big cats, who wouldn’t love to download windows 10 golden retriever? No one wants windows 10 fall 2021 update for creators.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by _AzMoo on Sunday March 06, 2022 @05:08PM (#30581762)
As an avid Apple user, I can't stand their naming conventions. I don't have any idea if High Sierra came before or after Mojave, or if Lion was before or after Mountain Lion. I would much prefer version numbers/years.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by d110af5ccf on Sunday March 06, 2022 @05:44PM (#30582050)
Yup, I also hate this in the Linux world. Debian Bullseye? Ubuntu Focal? WTF? Ubuntu 20.04LTS thank you very much please cease and desist with the "cute" names that force me to consult a chart every time I encounter them.

iPhone 10, Galaxy S7, RX470, such product names are significantly easier to keep track of.

Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by hexane360 on Sunday March 06, 2022 @05:53PM (#30582109)
Debian, Ubuntu, and Android names are all alphabetical, so you can tell which versions are newer and older. That's all version numbers are really useful for anyways.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by d110af5ccf on Sunday March 06, 2022 @06:13PM (#30582240)
Just checked. Android and Ubuntu, yes. TIL. Debian I don't think so though? It goes Jessie(8), Stretch(9), Buster(10), Bullseye(11). Many other examples of non-alphabetical products exist.

Regardless, numbers are easier to work with, easier to remember, and it's immediately apparent what's going on with them. "debootstrap focal target" is more difficult to remember than a hypothetical "debootstrap ubuntu 20.04 target" would be. In practice I have to consult a chart almost every time.

Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by npteljes on Sunday March 06, 2022 @06:08PM (#30582199)
Debian is definitely not alphabetical

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian_version_history

Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by muterad_murilax on Sunday March 06, 2022 @06:35PM (#30582373)
So, Impish Indri vs. Intrepid Ibex - which one is newer? ;)
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by 0cVlTeIATBs on Sunday March 06, 2022 @06:07PM (#30582187)
Version numbers can also tell you the date of the release.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by spsful on Sunday March 06, 2022 @05:25PM (#30581886)
But they do? Each version of macOS is numbered. We're on macOS 12 right now.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by itslennysfault on Sunday March 06, 2022 @05:40PM (#30582009)
Honestly, I had no idea. I recently had to have my MBP repaired (new logic board... as always). So, I got it back with the latest OS (Monterey). I needed to download some software that was for specific versions of MacOS, and I honestly didn't even know there was a OS 12. I thought I was still on "OSX".

If it wasn't "Monterey" and was just MacOS 12 there would've been no confusion. I feel like it's always an exercise of looking up the code name to find the version whenever someone is like "Yeah, I'm on Big Sur" .... ok one sec, let me google what that even means.

Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by pknomad on Sunday March 06, 2022 @06:14PM (#30582241)
I spent some time as CPE so I guess the naming convention always made sense? You went from lesser cats to greater cats and now to different sites in CA. Each naming always comes with a version number to fall back on...
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by gruez on Sunday March 06, 2022 @05:57PM (#30582131)
That doesn't help when people like to refer to the version by its name only, omitting the number, which forces you to do a lookup against wikipedia or whatever.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by Angostura on Sunday March 06, 2022 @06:14PM (#30582243)
Mountain Lion was after Lion - Snow Leopard Leopard. IN fact I think I can remeber all the cat ordering.

But as someone in the UK random californian landmarks are inpossible to remember.

Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by NikolaNovak on Sunday March 06, 2022 @05:12PM (#30581782)
Does anybody know which cat came before another though?

Numbers are best. Years are fine. Names are... Cute but Impractical.

Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by zeven7 on Sunday March 06, 2022 @05:44PM (#30582049)
Android alphabetical names seem fine.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by d110af5ccf on Sunday March 06, 2022 @05:47PM (#30582074)
TIL that they're alphabetical. I always hated them before just now but I guess that's slightly more tolerable. Really though, please just stick to numbers if you ever have to name a product lineup. It's immediately obvious to anyone that Firefox 77 came after Firefox 76.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by chungy on Sunday March 06, 2022 @06:45PM (#30582441)
Once you run out of letters, it gets confusing too. Ubuntu's wrapped around I think twice in its history; it goes through code names from A to Z before starting over again. Is Gutsy Gibbon newer or older than Babbling Baboon? At least the $YEAR.$MONTH release numbers make sense, no questions about the relationship 18.04 and 21.10 have.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by NikolaNovak on Sunday March 06, 2022 @10:12PM (#30583828)
Didn't they drop it? Or de-emphasize it? I know current version is android 12 but have no clue of the name. Same for all previous. My old note 8 has android 9. My original htc I think enddd on 1.6 or something. I still have an ancient Asus tablet on android 4. Etc - I never knew or cared, and didn't HAVE to, about the cute name.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by pjmlp on Sunday March 06, 2022 @06:08PM (#30582201)
To top that, when reading SDK docs it is actually 1709.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by bartread on Sunday March 06, 2022 @04:43PM (#30581548)
Naming and version numbers together. I still can't get my head around the series of organisational perversions that would be required to go through that whole period (lasting years) of .NET/.NET Core/.NET Standard/crazy versioning/divergence and convergence malarkey. This all appears to be on a more sane course now but it's taken far too long.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by d110af5ccf on Sunday March 06, 2022 @05:49PM (#30582086)
I still don't fully understand which parts of the various .NET frameworks I can safely use with a fully FOSS stack on an arbitrary Linux distro or a Mac or whatever and which parts are effectively limited to Windows. The entire thing is incredibly confusing.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by pjmlp on Sunday March 06, 2022 @06:11PM (#30582222)
Easy, the parts that are relevant to sell ASP.NET services on Azure.

Everything else is mostly reserved to Windows, including dotnet CLI tooling outcomes like trace and dump files debugging.

Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by jsmith45 on Monday March 07, 2022 @01:37PM (#30591570)
`dotnet-dump analyze` allows analysis of dumps on Linux using the same SOS debugging commands that work under windbg. They even added some native memory examination commands. You are lacking the rest of a native debugger, but well, asking the team to produce a full blown multi-platform native code debugger would be a bit much. You can instead SOS into lldb for mixed mode debugging of both live processes and dumps on linux.

For tracing, well that means very different things to different people. One can capture most of the CLR level events that would go through ETW on windows with the `dotnet-trace` tool, which can also function as a primitive sampling profiler. But despite its name it does not use the profiling apis to implement a tracing profiler.

The analysis side of the dotnet-trace tool is subpar, but honestly even the best tools I can find often leave me underwhelmed on the analysis side.

Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by breakingcups on Sunday March 06, 2022 @04:43PM (#30581552)
Ahem.. Looking at you Visual Studio 2005 Team System, I mean Visual Studio Team System 2008... I mean Team Foundation Server, no wait Visual Studio Team Services.. So sorry, Azure DevOps, obviously.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by bonergarage on Sunday March 06, 2022 @04:54PM (#30581668)
I think Github Azure Edition, is what you’re looking for
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by filoleg on Sunday March 06, 2022 @06:04PM (#30582175)
Github Azure Edition doesn't seem to be a real product that I could find any reference to.

Searching "Github Azure Edition" brings up this page[0]. That's the name of this promo page, and it talks about Github integrations into various Azure products. The very first product it talks about is Azure DevOps. Direct quote:

"Simplify deployment from your repository with seamless access to the Azure portal and Azure DevOps using your GitHub account credentials."

I can confirm that the parent comment you replied to is correct, as I used to work at Microsoft during the time when the renaming from Visual Studio Team Services to Azure DevOps was happening internally. As in, not that I was involved in it, but that we used VSTS, and then we noticed that the name was changing to Azure DevOps everywhere. All while we were still accessing the same service and all as before.

0. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/github/

Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by bonergarage on Sunday March 06, 2022 @07:14PM (#30582633)
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by filoleg on Sunday March 06, 2022 @08:31PM (#30583176)
I see, so they offer Github hosted on Azure as well now, thanks for sharing it, I actually didn't know.

Though the parent point still stands valid, as Visual Studio Team Services indeed became Azure DevOps. Github hosted on Azure is just self-hosted Github and has nothing to do with VSTS/Azure DevOps.

Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by rickspencer3 on Sunday March 06, 2022 @06:17PM (#30582262)
> Windows Live Local Powered By Microsoft Virtual Earth

An actual name of a product I worked on at Microsoft

Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by h0ek on Monday March 07, 2022 @02:10AM (#30585000)
All first letters (WLLPBMVE) sounds like some system dll name or running service.
Re:Windows Defender is enough, if you harden it by agys on Sunday March 06, 2022 @04:45PM (#30581575)
Yet, in a moment of poetry and perfect copy-writing one of the most beautiful names for a piece of software is born: Word.

…and “Windows” as well.