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Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by mcspiff on Saturday March 05, 2022 @02:40PM (#30571141)
It’s even worse now in Canada — not smart devices, but water heater rentals. These companies charge astronomical rates per month for a rental, or a large “contract buy out fee”. They give kick backs to developers so almost all new builds in Ontario will have them.
Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by LeonM on Saturday March 05, 2022 @06:27PM (#30573067)
Could be worse.

I live in a city that has a centralised heating infrastructure (every building gets a hot water connection), and my apartment came equipped with a heat exchanger that connects to said heating system. I have to _lease_ this heat exchanger from the energy company, and I cannot opt out. The lease is like 50 euros per month, though the MSRP on the unit is only 400 euros or so. Then I still need to pay for actual heat consumption, which is also 3 times more expensive than a gas powered heater that is commonly found in my country.

Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by namibj on Saturday March 05, 2022 @11:17PM (#30574985)
Here the district heating is substantially cheaper than a gas furnace, at least in operation. I believe you have to buy the infrastructure and pay for the pipe that goes from the nearest joint to your building, though.

We don't do per-apartment heat exchangers, but rather one per building, typically with shared hot water radiators across all units in the building. Heat consumption is either estimated by a air/radiator temperature difference integrator on the radiator, or an electronic flow meter+temperature differential sensors on the unit's connection to the central hot water loop.

Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by ohyeshedid on Saturday March 05, 2022 @03:23PM (#30571520)
Ahh, the Culligan/Water treatment/softener business model.
Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by Scoundreller on Saturday March 05, 2022 @04:14PM (#30571951)
I think it’s a regional thing, big in Ontario and Saskatchewan, unheard of elsewhere.

Always look into buyout terms. Though replacement heaters these days are lot more expensive than pre-covid :(

Re:GE won’t let me use convection roast on my new oven witho... by hedora on Saturday March 05, 2022 @03:29PM (#30571569)
I suppose their lawyers figured out that people would just recycle them and stop paying.

If so, I suggest installing a water softener with an anti-backflow device but not installing a bladder pressure relief tank between it and the water heater. Also buy a whole house leak detector / shutoff valve.

If the resulting water heater tank rupture doesn't lead them to breach the maintenance side of the contract, look into over-softening the water so the sacrificial anode fails every 6-12 months.

(Edit: In case it wasn't clear, this is a great way to do unbounded amounts of damage to your house, so don't actually do this.)