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Re:Modeling chopping onions: The importance of mise en place by nemoniac on Monday February 28, 2022 @11:58AM (#30502072)
Below is a quote from Anthony Bourdain's book "Kitchen Confidential"

I keep the quote at the top of my emacs config file.

Mise-en-place is the religion of all good line cooks. Do not fuck with a line cook’s ‘meez’ — meaning his setup, his carefully arranged supplies of sea salt, rough-cracked pepper, softened butter, cooking oil, wine, backups, and so on. As a cook, your station, and its condition, its state of readiness, is an extension of your nervous system... The universe is in order when your station is set up the way you like it: you know where to find everything with your eyes closed, everything you need during the course of the shift is at the ready at arm’s reach, your defenses are deployed. If you let your mise-en-place run down, get dirty and disorganized, you’ll quickly find yourself spinning in place and calling for backup. I worked with a chef who used to step behind the line to a dirty cook’s station in the middle of a rush to explain why the offending cook was falling behind. He’d press his palm down on the cutting board, which was littered with peppercorns, spattered sauce, bits of parsley, bread crumbs and the usual flotsam and jetsam that accumulates quickly on a station if not constantly wiped away with a moist side towel. “You see this?” he’d inquire, raising his palm so that the cook could see the bits of dirt and scraps sticking to his chef’s palm. “That’s what the inside of your head looks like now.”

-- Anthony Bourdain, from Kitchen Confidential.

Re:Modeling chopping onions: The importance of mise en place by giglamesh on Monday February 28, 2022 @01:14PM (#30503018)
Line cooking in a restaurant is very different than cooking at home. Mis-en-place is usually not efficient for the home cook. The example cited by Jeff W is contrived. I've cooked at least hundreds if not thousands of onions at home and in restaurants and in almost every case I was chopping carrots or celery or peppers while those onions were cooking and never once did I have a failure due to timing.
Re:Modeling chopping onions: The importance of mise en place by mmcdermott on Monday February 28, 2022 @04:48PM (#30505606)
I don't know. I've found mis-en-place to be a great help when cooking at home and I've never worked as a cook in a restaurant or caterer. It helps with timing and it is also just nice to feel like the cook itself is simply "going downhill."

Now, for qualifiers, I live in a full house so things aren't always where I left them (so simply removing searches is useful) and I do cooks both small (just my meal) and large (for the whole group or pre-cooking meals for the work week).

Re:Modeling chopping onions: The importance of mise en place by giraffe_lady on Monday February 28, 2022 @04:45PM (#30505552)
I was a line cook for over a decade too and cook a lot at home obviously. Mise just looks different at home but it still happens. I still get out my cutting board and hone my knife before I start peeling the carrots you know.

I've always thought of the goal of mise being a sort of process fluidity rather than raw efficiency. Especially with tasks that can't be done simultaneously it's not going to shave much if any time off. But it still leads to less things to keep track of, fewer context switches, smoother transitions, fewer mistakes, more opportunity to notice and account for variations, etc.

You also have to remember that you have the skills and accompany judgement of a once-professional cook. You can cut the celery before the onions burn, but can you cut it before the garlic burns? Could a home cook without a professional background?

It's not that one of those options is "mise en place" and then others aren't. The answers depend on the person doing the cooking, and making that call is part of the mise process for the dish. Having a plan, basically.

Re:Modeling chopping onions: The importance of mise en place by 0_____0 on Monday February 28, 2022 @01:21PM (#30503096)
It's quite a nice reminder at the top of an emacs config.

It's basically the same thing as 5S methodology in manufacturing. Doesn't make as much sense in a garage workshop, but when what you're doing is the pride of your craft and your day-in-day-out, your setup and tooling should be dialed enough that you almost never have to think about it.

Re:Modeling chopping onions: The importance of mise en place by thehappypm on Monday February 28, 2022 @04:06PM (#30505137)
I have never heard of mis-en-place but I have always done it in my home cooking in order to have a better flow. Chop, then move on from chopping to the next thing; the next thing; don’t bounce back and forth. It’s just how my brain functions best. I would hate to be sautéing onions and in the back of my mind be “gotta chop the peppers in 2 minutes shit”. Plus I like to clean when I have downtime, so if I have two minutes I’ll wash my cutting boards and stuff.
Re:Modeling chopping onions: The importance of mise en place by titzer on Monday February 28, 2022 @12:53PM (#30502751)
I feel this way about UIs that are never stable enough and not configurable enough for us rubes to be trusted laying it out how we want.

Software is so flexible, yet we can't make UIs the way we want and are constantly subjected to the whims of designers and the buffets of fads. No way anyone becomes a master of using software because software apparently doesn't want that.

Re:Modeling chopping onions: The importance of mise en place by throwaway889900 on Monday February 28, 2022 @04:37PM (#30505476)
Because there's the constant struggle of making something so complicated that nobody wants to actually configure it and use it. So you have two options: sensible defaults and hiding things away, or just avoiding customization outright. And the second is always cheaper (for commercial products).
Re:Modeling chopping onions: The importance of mise en place by politician on Monday February 28, 2022 @01:29PM (#30503205)
It's a failure of the UI and windowing frameworks to enable this level of programmable personalization. Designers chasing fads are just the opportunists that fill the gaps left by Apple's rigid design ethos, Microsoft's random gyrations, and Linux's ever-delayed Year of the Desktop.

As ridiculous as it first sounds, VR will likely provide the technology for the way forward.

Re:Modeling chopping onions: The importance of mise en place by tepitoperrito on Monday February 28, 2022 @01:31PM (#30503226)
At the risk of sounding crass and embarrassing myself, here's the quote I keep at the top of my emacs config file:

;;; init.el --- welcome to church

;; Well then get your shit together. Get it all together, and put

;; it in a backpack, all your shit, so it's together. And if you

;; gotta take it somewhere, take it somewhere. You know? Take it to

;; the shit store and sell it. Or put it in a shit museum, I don't

;; care what you do, you just gotta get it together.

;; Get your shit together.

-- Morty, from Rick and Morty