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Re:Ask HN: What do you read for a more objective view on the... by WalterGR on Monday February 28, 2022 @01:55AM (#30497108)
I mean, some articles I have seen so far call Putin an aggressor right in the title and then there is only one side considered.

What do you expect to see? Equal words given to both the pro and the con side? Is the universe so relative that, whatever the subject, all opinions are equally correct?

What on earth is the point of news, then? Half of every article saying that something happened and the other half saying it didn't?

News isn't letters-to-the-editor.

My view... is that all the participants of the conflict only pursue their strategic interests and no one really cares about the Ukrainians (which is really sad).

That's a worldview, not news. That is letters-to-the-editor.

Re:Ask HN: What do you read for a more objective view on the... by dondraper36 on Monday February 28, 2022 @02:02AM (#30497144)
No one is asking for equal words. That said, very few things are truly black/white. Read the article in Foreign Policy linked in the thread. This for the most part is my main concern.

The whole conflict is viewed as a battle between "good" and "bad", but it's not really that simple as always. Both sides have their interest in the war so why pretend it's just one villain against knights in shining armor?

I will say that again, I hate all the propaganda around, as well as what was started 5 days ago. There is no and will never be a valid reason for starting a war. But reading the news these days (from both directions) makes me sick.

Re:Ask HN: What do you read for a more objective view on the... by ptr on Monday February 28, 2022 @02:16AM (#30497218)
Yea, the participants have their interests: Russia wants to create a “Russian Empire”, Ukraine wants to survive as a democracy and as a country.

Decide yourself which side you want to help.

Re:Ask HN: What do you read for a more objective view on the... by dondraper36 on Monday February 28, 2022 @02:21AM (#30497249)
I have decided for myself and made it clear in the original post. I am against all kinds of aggression. That said, do you think that there was the same level of global support for Iraq when the USA decided to invade?
Re:Ask HN: What do you read for a more objective view on the... by ptr on Monday February 28, 2022 @02:31AM (#30497305)
First off, I don’t care. Ukraine vs Russia is about Ukraine, Europe and Russia. Why should Ukraine suffer for things the US has done? US is only a part of this because they’re the largest member of NATO.

And secondly, the first Iraq war was a just war from US’ side — Iraq invaded a small friendly neighboring country (Kuwait.)

Re:Ask HN: What do you read for a more objective view on the... by dondraper36 on Monday February 28, 2022 @02:38AM (#30497355)
It has never been discussed widely in the media, but in the same manner Russia can argue that people in Donbass have been killed for 8 years by Ukraine. Isn't that the same kind of justification to military intervention?
Re:Ask HN: What do you read for a more objective view on the... by WalterGR on Monday February 28, 2022 @03:54AM (#30497809)
If it’s not been widely discussed in the media yet you’re familiar with it, then what “objective” sources are you looking for? Ones that say Russia’s invasion is justified because of that?
Re:Ask HN: What do you read for a more objective view on the... by ptr on Monday February 28, 2022 @02:49AM (#30497412)
Their stated goal for the invasion is to “demilitarize” and “denazify” the whole of Ukraine. Ukraine has a Jewish president.
Re:Ask HN: What do you read for a more objective view on the... by corinroyal on Monday February 28, 2022 @03:37AM (#30497700)
And yet there are neonazis in the Ukrainian military who attack Russian-speaking separatists in the east and who were in the vanguard of the 2014 revolution. It's wacky and hard to believe but a conflict the large is never black and white.
Re:Ask HN: What do you read for a more objective view on the... by thiht on Monday February 28, 2022 @03:36AM (#30497695)
In this case I’d say it’s pretty much black and white. It’s ok, not everything has to be nuanced.