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Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by malermeister on Saturday February 26, 2022 @12:08PM (#30479445)
> People deserve a way to send money without middlemen

Why? Please don't just make unfounded assertions.

Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by neither_color on Saturday February 26, 2022 @12:45PM (#30479818)
What's "deserved" is subjective, but I'll bite. People from countries that are fiscally irresponsible and have tight capital controls "deserve" access to an asset that, while volatile, gives them a better hedge than hyperinflation and can't effectively be blocked by their dysfunctional government. See Zimbabwe, Venezuela, and citizens of any country that has a black market exchange rate for dollars/euros(Argentina, Lebanon, Turkey). You could make the case that this is something for international organizations like the UN/IMF to solve, but, they don't on any timescale that's meaningful to the person whose weekly paycheck buys less bread every week. They already have access to the same information and websites we do(with a VPN), accessing a globally distributed and decentralized ledger is as fundamental as their right to access twitter/facebook.

Americans and Europeans have very limited experience with hyperinflation and volatile currencies, plus we have robust banking/fin-tech sectors so of course we're more prone to scoff at the problems cryptos will solve.

Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by malermeister on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:28PM (#30482139)
Are you sure crypto will solve the problem of volatile currencies? BTC crashes on around a yearly basis [0], it's to find any currency more volatile than that.

[0] https://www.yahoo.com/video/7-biggest-bitcoin-crashes-histor...

Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by TimJRobinson on Tuesday March 01, 2022 @02:02AM (#30510601)
Yes, they're called stablecoins. Dai is a decentralized stablecoin that is always pegged to $1 USD. Rai is a stablecoin that is pegged to itself (using a feedback mechanism).

Both are on Ethereum and if you keep wealth in them that wealth cannot be confiscated or censored (except with a physical wrench attack).

Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by teddyh on Saturday February 26, 2022 @12:17PM (#30479541)
The free movement of capital is a long-established right in Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Single_Market#Capital

Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by malermeister on Saturday February 26, 2022 @03:14PM (#30481422)
If you read what you linked, you'll find that this only applies for Euros within the Eurozone, with exceptions for capital controls in place.
Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by lottin on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:09PM (#30481991)
That's the European single market. Single market means freedom of movement of goods and services, capital and labour. In other words, it's not just capital. And it applies to a small set of countries which all agree to having a number of common rules and regulations. And it's not without intermediaries.
Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by blueprint on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:01PM (#30481932)
because it crosses the line into censorable speech
Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by lottin on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:11PM (#30482010)
Payments are not speech. Find a better argument.
Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by blueprint on Saturday February 26, 2022 @07:04PM (#30483577)
except that sometimes they reduce to speech. especially in cases where there are incidental human rights violations suppressing those payments. the examples why this cannot be left up to arbitrary governments are abundant. so there's nothing wrong with my argument. if you disagree then please show proof.

by the way just a heads up I suggest you learn the value of basic human kindness in your manner.

Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by DonHopkins on Saturday February 26, 2022 @10:15PM (#30485029)
My definition of basic human kindness includes NOT shilling and trying to defend and justify get-rich-quick pyramid schemes and fraudulent scams, under the pretense of not wanting to pay your taxes.
Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by lottin on Sunday February 27, 2022 @05:05AM (#30486863)
Speech is the use of language to communicate ideas and thoughts. A payment is not speech. Paying involves transmitting of a financial asset. It doesn't involve the use of language to communicate ideas and thoughts. Therefore, it's not speech. You can't arbitrarily decide that something is speech, just because it suits your interests. This is not how things work.
Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by blueprint on Sunday February 27, 2022 @07:30AM (#30487763)
of course it uses language. it's called a protocol for a reason. god this debate is tiresome.
Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by lottin on Sunday February 27, 2022 @09:21AM (#30488664)
Whatever. Good luck convincing anyone that a financial transaction is speech.
Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by blueprint on Sunday February 27, 2022 @12:00PM (#30490173)
I don't need to, mr. creates-strawmen-to-try-to-avoid-the-real-discussion. Many people already hold the view that certain financial activities reduce to the freedom to speak or pursue happiness. It didn't come from me. Good luck convincing anyone that you've ever experienced real threats to your human rights.
Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by lottin on Sunday February 27, 2022 @02:46PM (#30491811)
Of course it didn't come from you. It came from the bitcoin ideologues. You simply repeat what they say like a parrot.
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Re:Bitconnect founder indicted in global $2.4B cryptocurrenc... by lottin on Sunday February 27, 2022 @03:32PM (#30492198)
You're welcome.