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Re:How Russia Took over the Internet in Crimea and Eastern U... by eru on Saturday February 26, 2022 @08:38AM (#30477453)
Don't beat yourself up over it, though.

'The Ukraine' used to be perfectly acceptable English.

It's a bit like Burma vs Myanmar.

Re:How Russia Took over the Internet in Crimea and Eastern U... by HWR_14 on Saturday February 26, 2022 @10:58AM (#30478607)
'The Ukraine' was acceptable when it was a region of other countries (like "the Midlands" or "the American Southwest"). It's unacceptable to refer to a country. I'm sure trying to (subtly) demote Ukraine from a country to a region is a goal of Russian propagandists.
Re:How Russia Took over the Internet in Crimea and Eastern U... by aix1 on Saturday February 26, 2022 @12:38PM (#30479739)
> It's unacceptable to refer to a country.

The United States of America, the United Kingdom, the Bahamas, the Gambia, the Democratic Republic of the Congo (and probably others) would like a word. :)

Re:How Russia Took over the Internet in Crimea and Eastern U... by HWR_14 on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:07PM (#30481976)
Full names don't get that treatment for some reason, but even that fully applies. It's the United States of America or America. It's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland or Great Britain. It's the People's Republic of China or China.

I will admit commonwealth countries are often "The Republic of The X". But that naming seems left over from when they were territories of the British Empire, where "the X" is referring to a subdivision of the empire.

Re:How Russia Took over the Internet in Crimea and Eastern U... by eru on Sunday February 27, 2022 @09:18PM (#30495510)
You better fix Wikipedia then:

> The Netherlands (Dutch: Nederland [ˈneːdərlɑnt] (audio speaker)), informally Holland,[15][16] is a country located in Western Europe with overseas territories in the Caribbean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands

Re:How Russia Took over the Internet in Crimea and Eastern U... by drran on Saturday February 26, 2022 @02:03PM (#30480671)
Unites States of the America
Re:How Russia Took over the Internet in Crimea and Eastern U... by eadmund on Saturday February 26, 2022 @10:13AM (#30478154)
IMHO it’s still 'the Ukraine,' 'Burma' &c. There's no need to change. We say Paris, with an 's,' not 'paree'; the French say 'Londres,' not London, and that's okay too. Languages use their own words for common place names, and that is fine. There's nothing wrong with using a language's words, and no real need to change them.
Re:How Russia Took over the Internet in Crimea and Eastern U... by mcfedr on Saturday February 26, 2022 @10:18AM (#30478211)
There is something wrong when it's a clear political statement to use the wrong term
Re:How Russia Took over the Internet in Crimea and Eastern U... by smcl on Saturday February 26, 2022 @10:31AM (#30478342)
> Thanks. Noted and corrected.

Looks like it wasn't a clear political statement, and was instead an honest mistake. Let's not get too carried away with this, there's a very real conflict going on and I don't imagine the people being shelled and shot at are particularly concerned about the word "the" right now.

Re:How Russia Took over the Internet in Crimea and Eastern U... by HWR_14 on Saturday February 26, 2022 @11:00AM (#30478628)
If you read the chain, the clear political statement was by eadmund. But sticking to old terms or naming conventions (or switching to new ones) is often a political statement. It's a powerful way to do it. I mean, look at the people calling COVID-19 "the China virus". Or the people with strong opinions on "blacklist" vs "denylist"
Re:How Russia Took over the Internet in Crimea and Eastern U... by eadmund on Saturday February 26, 2022 @07:54PM (#30484100)
> If you read the chain, the clear political statement was by eadmund.

Ummm, I made no clear political statement, just a linguistic one. I am instinctively conservative, and deeply suspicious of folks who promote change for change's sake. Our language is a lovely, beautiful one and we have spent the last several decades abusing it.

Re:How Russia Took over the Internet in Crimea and Eastern U... by eru on Sunday February 27, 2022 @09:24PM (#30495569)
Eh, we've spent the last few hundreds years abusing our lovely language.

And the only reason it ain't longer, is because if you go far enough back, it's different enough that we can't call it our language anymore.

Language evolves and political correctness is just one force amongst many, and not even a new one:

> "Rooster" was originally shorthand for "roosting bird," preferred by the Puritans to the double entendre of the more typical "cock."

From https://www.bonappetit.com/test-kitchen/ingredients/article/...

These days saying rooster doesn't typical indicate any prude leanings by the speaker, even though that's how this change started.