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Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by a1371 on Saturday February 26, 2022 @02:35AM (#30475845)
A lot of people like to talk about nuclear as a climate solution. Geothermal is the most gargantuous nuclear plant we can fathom, all we have to do is to extend a pipe and harvest it.

Here is the thing, a lot of that tech is coming from oil and gas. An industry with a track record of leaving the land they enter in terrible shape.

I think we have to start over with geothermal and look at it more like hydro electricity. We should harvest the electricity on the way down, not the way up. I wish I'd get rich enough one day to devote my life to this.

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by axiolite on Saturday February 26, 2022 @03:09AM (#30475981)
> that tech is coming from oil and gas. An industry with a track record of leaving the land they enter in terrible shape.

I think coal and most other mineral extraction industries would love to have the relatively good environmental record of oil and gas companies. One small opening at the surface, no need to send hundreds of people in. Pretty small and quiet facility above ground where all the work gets done, etc. As terrible as an oil spill is, they're not very common.

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by marcosdumay on Saturday February 26, 2022 @10:58AM (#30478618)
As terrible as oil spills are, gas spills are currently a much larger problem. They are just not as visible.

Once we get enough solar capacity to start thinking about carbon capture, maybe methane capture is the most interesting problem to start with.

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by perlgeek on Saturday February 26, 2022 @03:32PM (#30481648)
> and look at it more like hydro electricity

I hope you are aware that hydro also has a reputation for destroying natural environments at a pretty huge scale

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by ComradePhil on Saturday February 26, 2022 @02:43AM (#30475871)
> We should harvest the electricity on the way down, not the way up.

Could you please explain what you mean?

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by tschwimmer on Saturday February 26, 2022 @02:49AM (#30475897)
I have to assume GP means that we should extract the geothermal heat at the bottom of the well/borehole, not by bringing the oil back up to burn it.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by a1371 on Saturday February 26, 2022 @02:52AM (#30475906)
No, I mean we should use the motion of the water, not its heat. Like in hydroelectricity where water spins a turbine instead we are using a steam generator like gas fired plants
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by re6fae5Wied5tha on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:37AM (#30476351)
There's no reason to drill for this, and 6 miles down at 1000C presets less than ideal operating conditions for a turbine.

Any peak over about 2000ft should be sufficient for an atmospheric water generation plant to produce enough water for a down hill hydroelectric plant to power the atmospheric water generation plant with single digit ambient RH, and much lower elevations can be used in high RH climes.

I would recommend orienting collectors to the windward side to exploit the local humidity gain, in lower RH climes.

One of my projects is actually a water condensation, hydroelectric and gas liquefaction combined cycle plant.

That said, bores in areas with deep ground water do present an interesting opportunity for pumped storage, with the caveat that the turbomachinery is back in the bore hole and that's a really inconvenient place to fix it when it breaks.

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by manarth on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:26AM (#30476314)
A steam turbine essentially _does_ use the motion of the water.

In conventional hydroelectricity, gravity causes the motion through the energy differential of the waters' height.

In a steam turbine, the potential energy is from the high temperature of the water, and the energy input to rotate the turbine comes from the temperature differential of the steam cooling.

In theory you could capture the hydroelectric energy of the water on its way down a 12 mile hole, but that gravitic potential energy is negligable compared to the energy difference between superheated steam and water.

Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by Rapzid on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:28AM (#30476324)
Geothermal does use the "motion" of the water.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by napier on Saturday February 26, 2022 @06:15AM (#30476707)
There’s no need to drill down ultra deep if you leverage recent advances in horizontal drilling to creat a series of looping branches off of a central trunk, as it were. Can run a closed loop of circulating fluid too, which offers numerous advantages and obviates risk of fracking related earthquakes, as well as avoiding the corrosion challenges problematic with legacy approaches.
Re:You can have geothermal power everywhere if you drill dee... by Ekaros on Saturday February 26, 2022 @09:08PM (#30484618)
Conservation of energy. You could collect the energy that gravity generates, but then you end up with water/mass at the bottom and need to figure out how to bring it back up... Leading to net zero or negative gain due to other losses.