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Re:Finland or Sweden joining NATO would spark Russian respon... by mindslight on Friday February 25, 2022 @02:53PM (#30471572)
> I don't understand why Russia, or anyone else, thinks that Ukraine was anywhere near joining NATO

IMO, because this is how all of Putin's propaganda has framed it. NATO is some big bully ("Nazi") that keeps "aggressing" by letting sovereign countries liberalize and freely associate with the West. The shameless destruction of Ukraine is right in line with the authoritarian autocrats's imperative - turn the place into a burnt out shithole so it can be better ruled over, and so that reactionary survival values become relevant again.

The fate of Ukraine is (regrettably) solely in the hands of the Ukrainians at this point, but Russia's crass action is also an attack on the ethos of our Western society - cooperation, openness, democracy, and the rule of law - however flawed they end up being. I would say that Putin's chest thumping at other countries is just intended to make the western world feel relieved when only Ukraine gets conquered, but I feel that's coming from the same optimistic-rational place as the idea that there wasn't going to be a full scale invasion in the first place.

Re:Finland or Sweden joining NATO would spark Russian respon... by CRConrad on Monday March 07, 2022 @09:12AM (#30587991)
> I would say that Putin's chest thumping at other countries is just intended to make the western world feel relieved when only Ukraine gets conquered, but I feel that's coming from the same optimistic-rational place as the idea that there wasn't going to be a full scale invasion in the first place.

Yes and no: It's true for now, but it will turn out to have been optimistic when he takes the next one[1].

Wonder how long the West is going to go on falling for it? Until he dies of natural causes, at far too high an age[2], or well beyond -- when an equally Stalinesque / Hitleresque successor is firmly ensconced and keeps on doing it?

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[1]: And the next, and the next, and...

[2]: That is, anything above about fifty.