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Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by irrational on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:50AM (#30467214)
What use is cash in the case of a true catastrophe? And I don’t see the benefit of having a gun with or without ammunition. I would never ever be willing to shoot another person (or even an animal), even to protect myself or mine. I’d rather we are raped, tortured, and killed than harm another person.
Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by tablespoon on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:02AM (#30467357)
> What use is cash in the case of a true catastrophe?

Not much long term in a civilizational collapse, but even then it might still be useful before everyone realizes what's going on.

> And I don’t see the benefit of having a gun with or without ammunition. I would never ever be willing to shoot another person (or even an animal), even to protect myself or mine. I’d rather we are raped, tortured, and killed than harm another person.

I think that's probably an unusually high level of commitment to nonviolence.

It's also creates moral dilemmas: allowing someone to be "raped, tortured, and killed" by others is harming that person. All your principle may mean in practice is the innocent are the ones harmed and the guilty are left unharmed.

Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by mauvehaus on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:33AM (#30467677)
If you live in a more rural area, a gun with ammunition can be a viable source of food. The shelf life of ammunition is a squishy subject, but with good storage it's reasonable to expect it to last on the order of a human lifespan.

Absent a complete ecosystem breakdown, game feeds itself. Obviously if too many people are hunting, there's the risk of killing off all of the game. Which is another excellent reason that is would be a strategy better suited to a less populated area.

It's hard to imagine a more efficient way (measured in money and space required) to supply food for potentially decades.

Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by bluGill on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:24AM (#30467592)
While I understand non-violent, sometimes violence is the worst of your bad choices. I have no plan on shooting another human, but I need to reserve that right because there are people who will shoot me (Russia if you are in Ukraine)
Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by hef19898 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:40AM (#30468428)
Unless you are an active combatant in a war, or civil war, that's usually not your problem.
Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by bluGill on Friday February 25, 2022 @02:25PM (#30471135)
I plan to keep out of war. However those live in Ukraine a week ago you have no choice in the matter - I cannot ignore the possibility that the same might happen to me (though it does seem like a remote chance)
Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by hef19898 on Friday February 25, 2022 @02:30PM (#30471228)
Yep, we are all (in certaim age groups and qualification levels) one general mobilization away from being meat for the meat grinder. The basic "this dangerous end of rifle, point at enemy, pull there" training will be provided in those cases so.
Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by ejb999 on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:28AM (#30467634)
>>I’d rather we are raped, tortured, and killed than harm another person.

What a truly bizarre statement, and I seriously doubt you mean it.

Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by darkarmani on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:57AM (#30468625)
Did you notice the poster's name?
Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by PragmaticPulp on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:58AM (#30467302)
Cash on hand is important for basic trade. There are plenty boring examples of extended power outages where people fall back on cash for buying groceries and such.
Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by giantg2 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:19AM (#30468159)
That's an interesting take. Do you have any personal experience with those types of victimization and their impacts? You also say "we". Do the other members of the group share the same position?
Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by graphpercolator on Friday February 25, 2022 @02:30PM (#30471219)
Honestly, I think if you had resources you would eventually run into someone who would use violence to take those resources and the last line in your post is exactly what would happen.
Re:Disaster planning for regular folks (2015) by erwincoumans on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:36AM (#30467707)
Defending against real harm is reasonable. Just don't be pro-active about it.