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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by nopenopenopeno on Friday February 25, 2022 @02:19AM (#30464508)
They are being bled dry of everything the’ve got for the Western European elite. The benefits go to the upper classes while the working people suffer.
Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by beebeepka on Friday February 25, 2022 @03:32AM (#30464936)
That's true. I know because I am from Bulgaria. We're vassals one way or another. Bled dry is correct. The entire eastern block was sold out for peanuts during the 90s. I guess that was the price for joining NATO and the EU

However, being US/EU vassals is better for us. I personally think that's mainly because the so called west has all the money in the world. That's the root cause. Not culture, values, etc. Those are all secondary to having money for so long.

While I understand the stated reasons for the invasion, and they are much more valid then America's struggle to steal as much resources as possible from all over the world under the guise of "democracy" and "WMDs", I fear we'll be next. I don't want to be under their boots. My family has suffered enough under the Soviets

It fucking sucks to be on the outskirts

Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by oblio on Friday February 25, 2022 @03:40AM (#30464995)
You do know that Bulgaria, just like Romania, is crap at using EU development funds, right?

Your country could look like Austria by now if you wouldn't be so corrupt.

Look in the mirror first.

How do you explain Slovenia or Estonia or Poland with your world outlook?

Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by beebeepka on Friday February 25, 2022 @03:58AM (#30465124)
I agree. Bulgaria was on the right track until 2009. It's almost as if different countries face different realities.

Corruption does not happen in a vacuum. Ultimately, the responsibility lies to those with power. What I am saying is geopolitics are not decided by the common person. You seem to disagree and that's fine

Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by oblio on Friday February 25, 2022 @04:10AM (#30465197)
I think we're probably more aligned than you think :-)

I think society is a slow, lumbering beast that's hard to turn around, and very unpredictable.

I think that elites generally control things and the average person can't do much.

But if <<only>> elites control <<always>> things and only in <<their>> favor, then we can't explain how developed countries happened.

Long story short: the common person can't do much in general, but sometimes they can. Otherwise we can't explain stuff like Taiwan or South Korea or Estonia or Czechia or Slovenia or Ireland or whatever. So that means that the common person has a super low chance of changing anything, but that's their only hope. Giving up means that you have <<no>> chance, <<ever>>. And that's how you end up with Ukraine pre-2008 or Moldova pre-2014.

Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by beebeepka on Friday February 25, 2022 @04:33AM (#30465355)
Yes, I agree with everything you said. Voting and protesting matter. Expression matters and is very important despite everything I said earlier. Otherwise everything would be even more alike than it is now. Your logic is sound.
Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by jacquesm on Friday February 25, 2022 @06:49AM (#30466268)
Common people have a lot of power: if they unite.

See Solidarnosc in Poland for a great example.

Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by jacquesm on Friday February 25, 2022 @06:48AM (#30466263)
It is a real pity because the same amount of money applied effectively instead of looted would have made Bulgaria the Switzerland of the East by now. I've visited your country and love it there - and love the people - but the road to go is a long one.
Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by oblio on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:19AM (#30466477)
The thing is, it would actually save them from their population problems.

For example in Poland they managed to raise their economy enough that people just stopped leaving.

So even the demographic part is self inflicted. Corruption -> poverty -> people leaving the country.

Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by jacquesm on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:22AM (#30466496)
That's true, the brain drain is going to be impossible to stop without giving people a credible future and for that to happen the corruption needs to stop.
Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by oblio on Friday February 25, 2022 @03:41AM (#30465006)
Ever heard of EU development funds? Foreign investment?

The problem is local. Corruption.

And I'd take Western elites over Russian ones any day of the week. There are 0 (ZERO!) developed countries in the Russian sphere of influence.

Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by mantas on Friday February 25, 2022 @02:40AM (#30464615)
Coming from ex-USSR... Western European elite is much much much better than Russian elite...