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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by HWR_14 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:25PM (#30463714)
I mean, it's probably legal for you to fill out the application as a US citizen, as the Ukrainians are also asking for defensive help. If you have or want a US security clearance there may be issues in helping a foreign power, but absent that you can probably stay on the right side of the line.

Obviously, you'd want a real legal opinion.

I do wonder at what point the US just declares Russian computer systems beyond the protection of US law. At some point, that happens, right?

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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by em3rgent0rdr on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:32PM (#30463745)
Aren't Russian computer systems already beyond the protection of US law?
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by Thorrez on Friday February 25, 2022 @01:08AM (#30464151)
Why would they be? If you're physically in the US and commit a crime, I think it's still a US crime even if the victim is outside the US.

I doubt the US would prosecute you though for hacking Russia.

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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by jlpom on Friday February 25, 2022 @02:26AM (#30464548)
I remeber a video from the grugq where he said he has a "friend" who pirated Iran targets directly from US IPs because he knew he had no chance of being extraded.
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by Thorrez on Friday February 25, 2022 @03:43AM (#30465023)
What does pirated mean in this context? Usually I think of computer-related pirating as copyright infringement, but this sounds more serious.
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by cute_boi on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:42AM (#30467119)
It depends. If they know they will do nothing, but in future if they find problem with you, who knows?
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by kweinber on Friday February 25, 2022 @12:15AM (#30463941)
Defending an ally from an enemy is not something the US government punishes people for. If you want to help the people of Ukraine then #standwithukraine.
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by magicroot75 on Friday February 25, 2022 @01:22AM (#30464223)
This isn't true. You can certainly be prosecuted for committing crimes against enemies of the state. There's a reason we distinguish between law enforcement officials and civilians. Blur that line and things can get nasty.
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by grayfaced on Friday February 25, 2022 @01:20AM (#30464214)
Attacking systems still remains illegal within US. Making that choice is a bet on the whims of what prosecutors are willing to prosecute.
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by infamouscow on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:11PM (#30474402)
Russia is a pariah amongst the world for their invasion of Ukraine.

The Ukrainian American veterans flying to Poland to defend Ukraine right now are also breaking US law, but there will not be any legal consequences for their courage and bravery.

For another country to go after US citizens, the country has to first file paperwork in US federal court, and then, have a judge care enough to proceed.

What drugs are you on to think Russia has any standing in US court regarding _anything_ that happens in Ukraine?

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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by bink on Friday February 25, 2022 @02:42AM (#30464627)
Yes, exactly. And some of us have been subject to the whims of prosecutors in the past. It's relatively easy to say that you trust the US to do what is right compared to Russia, it's much harder to put your faith and your future in the hands of any government.
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by kingcharles on Saturday February 26, 2022 @12:09AM (#30475339)
Exactly. Prosecutors goals are to prosecute. Even if they don't see the prosecution through to the end because it becomes politically unfavorable, you might still sit in pre-trial detention for a decade before they drop the charges.
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by andruby on Friday February 25, 2022 @04:30AM (#30465338)
Is Russia an _official_ enemy though? I mean morally, after yesterday, of course. But is there any legal grounds?
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by lamp987 on Friday February 25, 2022 @12:50AM (#30464083)
ukraine is not an ally of USA though
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by ipaddr on Friday February 25, 2022 @12:57AM (#30464110)
They are allies. US, Canada, etc has given loans, sent resources and weapons.
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by thaumasiotes on Friday February 25, 2022 @01:17AM (#30464200)
Wouldn't that make Russia an ally too?
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by ipaddr on Friday February 25, 2022 @12:02PM (#30469397)
Can't remember us sending weapons for free to Russia or having a country level loan

But Russia can be an ally against certain enemies like isis because interests align. Similiar to China.

Ukraine is a democracy ally which puts them on another level and talks about them joining nato also put them on a different level.

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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by tandymodel100 on Friday February 25, 2022 @01:13AM (#30464171)
No, they are our ally. We stand with Ukraine because we stand against tyranny.
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by cloakandswagger on Friday February 25, 2022 @04:46AM (#30465449)
These jingoistic platitudes are getting so heavy-handed that I legitimately can't tell if this is satire.
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by ComradePhil on Friday February 25, 2022 @03:56AM (#30465112)
As long as the tyranny is in a place which is economically interesting to you and it is not being done by your allies. We know.
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by throwrqX on Friday February 25, 2022 @05:42AM (#30465803)
I can't speak for others but I am not against having regime change in Saudi Arabia and other such "allies" of convenience.
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by zja on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:49PM (#30463824)
No
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Re:Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia by 55555 on Thursday February 24, 2022 @11:56PM (#30463853)
Note that Biden just worked hard, and, it seems, effectively, to round up Russian hackers targeting US infra after the pipeline hack. I doubt he wants to undo this progress.
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