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Re:Google restores perks, relaxes vaccine mandates, gets set... by lern_too_spel on Thursday February 24, 2022 @12:25PM (#30457552)
These people don't understand public health. The point of the mandate is to make it faster for us to transition to endemic Covid. Once immunity rates are high enough, the healthcare impact of Covid becomes equivalent to the healthcare impact of seasonal flu. Without a mandate, you have to continue to deal with a pandemic until enough people get natural immunity, which is very costly, or until supply of treatments is sufficient, incurring the cost of pandemic measures on the economy the entire time. After the government exhausted its incentive policies for increasing vaccination-based immunity, the only policy left is mandate, the threat of which worked to get us to where we are today.
Re:Google restores perks, relaxes vaccine mandates, gets set... by titzer on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:52PM (#30458643)
I don't disagree with what you wrote, but

> the healthcare impact of Covid becomes equivalent to the healthcare impact of seasonal flu

Unfortunately, and again, I agree with what you wrote, but I think we're going to find out that COVID is and will continue to be much worse than the flu and maintain an ongoing strain on the hospital system. Being endemic has nothing to do with how mild or destructive a disease is, just its prevalence. For example, the spread of HIV has done nothing to reduce its virulence or ultimate death rate (it's still near 100% fatal, we just have better anti-virals now). COVID is going to be a slow burn on society, raising death rates and debilitating side effects for years, maybe decades. We aren't going back to 2019 for a loooong time.

Re:Google restores perks, relaxes vaccine mandates, gets set... by NoPie on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:07PM (#30458081)
Mandates had nothing to do with that. Proper education and information helped the UK to achieve good vaccination update especially among elderly while many countries with strict mandates lagged behind.

Vaccine mandates however can caused considerable friction in the society. Just see Canadian convoy protests with hundreds of millions of damages.

Re:Google restores perks, relaxes vaccine mandates, gets set... by lern_too_spel on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:16PM (#30458188)
It's far too late to educate people who are 40+ who gobble up misinformation. The "friction" in society comes from this uneducated group. If you have a proposal for educating these people to get them to vaccinate, the world's public health agencies are all ears.

Vaccine mandates and the threat of vaccine mandates in the US in particular have successfully driven up vaccination rates and allowed removal of pandemic restrictions earlier than would have been possible otherwise.

Re:Google restores perks, relaxes vaccine mandates, gets set... by NoPie on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:33PM (#30458393)
This view is wrong and that is the primary cause of problems with antivax.

The studies show that giving better information helps to undecided. Whereas vaccine mandates do not help much for staunch antivax.

The real world example (for example, the UK) also shows this in practice. No vaccine mandates are really needed to ensure high vaccination rates.

Vaccine mandates may have improved vaccination rates in certain groups but those groups are not most at risk. The total impact on vaccination rates and public health may even be negative as with more elderly have refused vaccine due to mandates than without the mandates.

Re:Google restores perks, relaxes vaccine mandates, gets set... by titzer on Thursday February 24, 2022 @01:54PM (#30458666)
> The studies show that giving better information helps to undecided.

I think you're discounting an incredibly powerful distortion field created by malevolent misinformation by some very sick and confused people.