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Re:Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline by _ph_ on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @08:39AM (#30427769)
No, certainly not. First of all, Germany does care about the Ukraine. Both on a political level as on a social one. Many Germany have friendships with people from Ukraine. I myself have several in my wider social circle.

There is also the European perspective. The cornerstone of European piece policy has been the integrity of state borders. This is now violated, so this is of very grave concern.

Putin himself stated yesterday, that he considers the Ukraine a part of Russia, so there is concern that he won't stop anytime soon, unless stopped. Ironically, an occupation of the Ukraine makes him what he claimed to try to prevent - a direct neighbor to the NATO states. We can only hope he stops before attacking NATO.

Re:Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline by sunsetonsaturn on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @09:36AM (#30428382)
> Many Germany have friendships with people from Ukraine. I myself have several in my wider social circle.

Not sure that's a good argument. Many in Germany also have friendships with people from Russia. Would that automatically mean that Germany has to support Russia? I doubt it.

Re:Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline by _ph_ on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @11:11AM (#30429622)
If Russia were threatened by an aggressive neighbor nation they would have no chance to defend against, I think there would be quite some support from Germany too. But currently Russia is the nation invading Ukraine. (And of course, most Germans distinguish well between the Russian people and their government)
Re:Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline by darebak on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @09:00AM (#30427975)
>The cornerstone of European piece policy has been the integrity of state borders. This is now violated, so this is of very grave concern.

Now? What about Kosovo* and to lesser degree other conflicts in ex-Yugoslavia? Germany even had an active role in that.

Re:Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline by twelve40 on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @09:35AM (#30428374)
hypocricy is unreal

Montenegro gets to declare independence, but Republika Srpska doesn't because Serbs don't matter.

Kosovo must be recognized as an "independent country" right next to Albania, but Eastern Ukraine never.

South Sudan, Eritrea, the list of "approved" places that are permitted independence, goes on and on.

Re:Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline by darebak on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @09:51AM (#30428585)
Montenegro is different because everyone involved agreed on the referendum and there was legal basis for independence, even though it only passed by a couple hundred votes and with voter suppression but other than that it's a perfectly valid referendum.

Kosovo* is more comparable to Srpska in Bosnia or Krajina in Croatia, or Crimea and Donbass. While Montenegro is more like Scotland situation in the UK.

Re:Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline by mechanical_bear on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @11:09AM (#30429580)
“the Ukraine”

It is just Ukraine, no “the” required nor preferred.

Re:Germany shelves Nord Stream 2 pipeline by CRConrad on Wednesday February 23, 2022 @05:32AM (#30439710)
PC linguistic prescriptivism really does get quite tiresome rather quickly. Quite a lot of people have grown up with, and used for decades, the language they learned as children. What's your fucking hurry; can't you be satisfied that their usage will die out with them?

Or go campaign for a while for the French to drop the article from "Le Danemark", or something equally useful.