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Re:Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech by urthor on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @02:22AM (#30424942)
What is important is having a fixed bedtime/wake time so your circadian rhythm settles in. How much sleep you can get in a night? Lucky dip, sometimes you just can't.

Matthew Walker's book is the one I'd go to.

Always find it weird how blog oriented a lot of information has become.

If you want to know something... why not find the best researcher in the field and get their book.

Re:Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech by cassianoleal on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @03:40AM (#30425441)
> Matthew Walker's book is the one I'd go to.

Personal anecdote here. I've read his book. It's good, it's interesting, and it made me realise how much more I should try to get more and better sleep. I'm a night person. For months I tried each and every technique out there to move my sleep schedule back since I have to wake up in the morning against my natural rhythm.

I started panicking and I went from 4-6h sleep per night + 8-10h on weekends to 2-4h during the week and about 6h on weekends. My whole life took a turn for the worst until I made the decision to stop the madness and go back to my previous, insufficient, sleep schedule.

This is not ideal by a long shot. I'm permanently sleep deprived, but at least not to the point where I can't even function.

Re:Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech by urthor on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @03:47AM (#30425478)
I mean isn't half of it that everyone has a chronotype?

Shouldn't you just have a fixed, later bedtime. To maximize REM sleep etc?

Re:Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech by Ntrails on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @07:24AM (#30427016)
> I mean isn't half of it that everyone has a chronotype?

I still don't buy this as an idea, an unchangeable genetic (?) marker that defines "night person" or "morning person". I think we make choices and habits, and these are really just a part of personality.

Re:Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech by hderms on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @09:44AM (#30428493)
I'm almost positive that's bullshit because I spent half of my life as a "night owl", convinced it was just something inherent to me. After my wife took a job that had her waking up at 4am, and the requisite adjustments to her bedtime, I found myself totally fine with going to sleep at 10am or earlier everyday.

In a lot of ways an early bedtime, or an average bedtime, is preferable to staying up to the wee hours, but given the context I couldn't see the benefits until I had experienced it myself for a few months. So in my opinion, if there is some kind of genetic marker for chronatype, it's either not very influential, only expressed in a subset of the populace or largely BS.

Re:Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech by brimble on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @12:03PM (#30430416)
I buy that it might be A Thing but have a strong suspicion that 90+% of modern "night people" are just addicted to the 24/7 casino-bright circus that is modern home entertainment and nighttime lighting (as most of us are) and would stop being "night people" if you took that away.
Re:Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech by cassianoleal on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @05:12AM (#30426072)
Yep, that's what I do now. I still need to wake up early (for me) in the morning though. There's no winning.
Re:Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech by najra on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @05:05AM (#30426019)
Just a heads up there's been some controversy around some of the claims he makes in the book: https://guzey.com/books/why-we-sleep/
Re:Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech by criddell on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @09:02AM (#30427994)
Walker has addressed some of that here: https://sleepdiplomat.wordpress.com/2019/12/19/why-we-sleep-...

On Peter Attia's podcast, he address a bunch of the criticism as well. The second edition of the book has been updated to correct errors.

Re:Get better sleep – Anecdata and sleep tech by oarsinsync on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @03:26AM (#30425339)
> Always find it weird how blog oriented a lot of information has become. If you want to know something... why not find the best researcher in the field and get their book.

Blogs are immediate and "free". Books take time and cost money.

Think CliffsNotes (or some other equivalent) study guides. Why read the whole text and learn all the nuance and details, when you can just get straight to a particular hearline narrative