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Re:Chris Lattner left Swift core team by inkyoto on Monday February 21, 2022 @08:26PM (#30423016)
> C and C++ are not a very thin abstraction over assembly language

We can argue the thinkness (or the thinness) of the abstraction until cows come home, but

  while (*dst++ = *src++) ;
is a direct abstraction over

  L1:
    movb @(r0)+, @(r1)+
    tstb (r0)
    bne L1
(assuming «src» and «dst» are both «char *» and addresses are loaded into «r1» and «r0» registers, consequently) in the PDP-11 architecture that C was designed on and for. The instruction sequence is exactly 4x 16 bit words long. As well as

  *ptr &= 1;
becoming

  and #1, (r0)
and being 2x 16 bit word instruction (assuming «ptr» is an «int *» and is loaded into «r0»). Pointer arithmetic and array design in C as we know them today was highly influenced by the addressing modes existing in the PDP-11 ISA, with many C abstractions having to a direct correspondence to specific sequences of PDP-11 instructions.

C++ is much less of a hardware abstraction, specifically when it comes to the higher level language features.

Re:Chris Lattner left Swift core team by pjmlp on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @03:43AM (#30425462)
Except that breaks outside non PDP-11 CPU, where many languages offer the same "low level" capabilities of C.

Or 8 bit CPUs like 6502 and Z80 that aren't even able to fully support C.

Re:Chris Lattner left Swift core team by inkyoto on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @09:57AM (#30428667)
6502 and Z80 had not existed yet when C was begot for the PDP-11 architecture.

Yes – historically – C has never been a perfect fit for 8-bit architectures as it had been conceived for a 16-bit architecture. So what? There are C compilers for 68HC08 68HC11 MCU's as well.

Yet, C has outlived «many languages offering the same "low level" capabilities of C».

Re:Chris Lattner left Swift core team by pjmlp on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @11:11AM (#30429620)
The reasons for its survival cross many axis, it wasn't just for the language alone on its own.
Re:Chris Lattner left Swift core team by rswail on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @09:09AM (#30428063)
It really was an elegant instruction set.