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Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by redwood on Monday February 21, 2022 @05:16PM (#30421392)
The idea of an EU without a mutual defense treaty is so absurd
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by danuker on Monday February 21, 2022 @05:22PM (#30421469)
The idea of an EU defense treaty is also redundant after NATO.
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by redwood on Monday February 21, 2022 @05:59PM (#30421865)
Not true when two of the three muscular nato powers aren't in the EU
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by lobocinza on Monday February 21, 2022 @07:02PM (#30422417)
EU have the resources and manpower to be muscular.
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by soco on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @04:47AM (#30425892)
Indeed, they could. But they don't have the structures in place to act it.
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by icare_1er on Monday February 21, 2022 @05:47PM (#30421743)
The idea of a NATO is redundant after the end of USSR.
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by nickpp on Monday February 21, 2022 @05:53PM (#30421801)
A defense treaty is never redundant. Case to the point.
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by sofixa on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @03:11AM (#30425232)
Considering one of the "official" casus belli is that Ukraine might join NATO, is it?
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by redwood on Monday February 21, 2022 @06:00PM (#30421873)
That is quite clearly not true
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by blibble on Monday February 21, 2022 @05:23PM (#30421490)
there already is one

but Putin would probably be pretty safe to assume that the germans wouldn't risk a war for a small part of Estonia/Lithuania (and then another small part, and so-on)

(and that's why no-one outside of france and germany wants the EU army to replace NATO)

Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by unfocussed_mike on Monday February 21, 2022 @07:11PM (#30422497)
> but Putin would probably be pretty safe to assume that the germans wouldn't risk a war for a small part of Estonia/Lithuania (and then another small part, and so-on)

Right. He's been carefully boiling that particular frog for a very long time.

Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by icare_1er on Monday February 21, 2022 @05:28PM (#30421542)
The idea of an EU is absurd.
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by stjohnswarts on Monday February 21, 2022 @05:45PM (#30421720)
For the European continent to keep up with countries like the USA and China it makes absolute sense and I don't see how anyone could see it any other way other than Russia or a similar country that would love to see a weak European continent that would be easy pickings.
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by icare_1er on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @06:49AM (#30426717)
The axiom "we are stronger together" is only true if participants all want the same. That is not the case at all. They all have different priorities; different geopolitical views. Are you telling me that Israel should merge with the 20 states around it, or that Singapore should do the same, just because "it is small" ?
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by karmakurtisaani on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @01:59PM (#30432020)
The idea that even two countries would ever "want the same" is absurd. They just need to have close enough interests. Most EU countries do, believe it or not.
Re:Putin orders Russian peacekeepers to eastern Ukraine's tw... by icare_1er on Tuesday February 22, 2022 @04:41PM (#30434271)
Even the most pro-europe people here in europe would disagree and consistently complained about never finding consensus (needed by the 27 member states as per EU treaties). Eastern countries want 0 migrants. France, Germany, want plenty. Poor countries want common debt. Northern countries do not. France tends to be less Nato-aligned than Poland or others, who will sign-off anything Washington says. Germany and Netherlands want austerity. The "PIGS" do not. Germany wants commercial partnership to develop the European GPS. France does not: that explain why there is still no European GPS. Germany wants a strong euro that suits its economy as a massive exporter. This has destroyed the competitiveness of Spain, Italy, France. France, Italy, Spain, want an EU policy which favors their agriculture. Northern countries could not care less. France is a nuclear power, with a massive nuclear electric parc, which it wants to favor. Germany wants windturbines everywhere. I could go on like that for pages. In fact, studies have found than the eurozone is one of the least homogeneous economical zone.