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Re:Times are great for programmers now. How does it end? by Aeolun on Monday February 21, 2022 @10:36AM (#30416992)
> It's the developer giving an analysis of the cost and benefit of a refactoring (it will take X time, but will save Y work in the future).

I think I just fundamentally disagree that this is the managers job. He tells me what needs doing, and I get that done as soon as possible within a given block of time (mostly sprints, so two weeks). They should be able to trust me to refactor as necessary within that block.

Re:Times are great for programmers now. How does it end? by therealdrag0 on Monday February 21, 2022 @05:00PM (#30421194)
Well of course you can. But that sounds like a less powerful position. Being able to refactor a scope that can fit into a sprint without communicating it is (should be) like a non issue. If you’re manager cares, that’s too bad and sad. Personally no where I’ve worked has this been unacceptable or questionable. Hoping that’s the norm, but maybe not.

I think the more interesting scenario is large tech debts that take real time, like the change itself is weeks, or months. These need to be justified and planned and coordinated with managers.