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Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by 88840-8855 on Monday February 21, 2022 @01:59AM (#30412677)
Absolutely finally. Why should a European take off their pants when traveling to the US, go through rude and racist immigration and Americans can easily enter the EU? Never understood that.

I want at least the same treatment for them, incl. pre checks, Information requests like social media accounts, pre registrations and a fee.

Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by jokethrowaway on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:04AM (#30412704)
If you're against US immigration process, you shouldn't be happy the same is happening to Europe.

We're just becoming one big dystopia.

When are people going to realise that?

Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by ionicgiraffe on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:15AM (#30412769)
If Europeans had some power on the immigration decisions of the US it would be stupid to make it worse for others when you could just accept it to be worse only for yourself.

On the other hand, a lot of people that have never experienced something do not even realize that that problem even exists or is real. Maybe experiencing a little bit of difficulty will enrich the vision of those.

Still, I think the point should be that with this pre-approvals you have end up with an easier immigration process and less worries for both sides (less time at immigration and not being turned down in the last moment).

Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by satellite2 on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:10AM (#30412735)
OP didn't state they were happy. But reciprocity might be the basis to develop fair relationship. Otherwise how would Americans realize their behavior is problematic?
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by gregoryl on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:13AM (#30412747)
I mean, Americans haven't realised yet, I doubt that will change.
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by aahortwwy on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:10AM (#30412731)
Yeah, the whole "this sucks; it should apply to everyone" mindset never made sense to me...
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by plafl on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:37AM (#30412914)
It makes it easier to gather support to change the situation. Good luck if you are in the minority with the problem.
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by Hamuko on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:13AM (#30412748)
Does the US border check still want all of your social media accounts and a scan of your phone and laptop contents? I've maintained US on my list of countries that I do not want to visit because they seem to want all of my personal data just to get into the country.
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by kolinko on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:26AM (#30412848)
Social Media accounts - yes, I was surprised to see that on my visa form 2 years ago. It wasn’t there 12 years ago when I got my previous one.

Phone scanning &laptop - it never happened to me, and I’ve been to US 20 times, coming from Poland. But it sucks that this is always in cards :/

Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by usr1106 on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:47AM (#30412988)
> Social Media accounts - yes, I was surprised to see that on my visa form 2 years ago.

Is that part of the ESTA questions these days? I have heard reports but couldn't find a screenshot or similar.

Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by midasuni on Monday February 21, 2022 @03:03AM (#30413089)
Yes. It’s optional. Even if you don’t answer they still do a brief look. I had a “ Public Safety Professional in the Law Enforcement industry from Washington DC-Baltimore Area” look at my linkedin when I got my latest ESTA a few weeks ago. Not sure if that’s because it had been 18 months since my previous one expired.
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by bogota on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:21AM (#30412808)
Its not guaranteed they will ask but yes they still do sometimes. Its just luck of the border agent draw.
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by xtracto on Monday February 21, 2022 @08:38AM (#30415723)
Luck and not behaving very Hispanic/Arab/Iranian. If you happen to behave like that, suddenly luck gets to be on your side.

Source: Hispanic that used to travel a lot the US and always got VERY LUCKY! (I should have bought Powerball in the US, for some reason being in the USA gave me luck.

Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by bogota on Monday February 21, 2022 @03:19PM (#30420086)
Yeah I understand that. I was trying to put it nicely as talking about US immigration and border patrol policies make me very sad to be from the US.

It’s a complex issue but at the end of the day current policies end with people not being treated like humans.

My wife is from another country and the mental tax that going through the US immigration system has had on us took two years to recover from. The entire system is meant to be punitive and humiliating.

Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by TameAntelope on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:21AM (#30412810)
None of that information was required for entry into the US, that has never been the policy.
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by mahkeiro on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:35AM (#30412892)
The latest version of the ESTA form make it almost impossible to know that these fields are not mandatory. Dark pattern can also be mastered by administration.
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by Hamuko on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:25AM (#30412846)
What about in practice?
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by yywwbbn on Monday February 21, 2022 @03:08AM (#30413124)
This has never happened to me or any if the couple of dozens of people I know who travelled to the US (this was all under ESTA though, maybe they ask for all of it if you need to apply for a visa)
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by midasuni on Monday February 21, 2022 @04:20AM (#30413589)
They ask you when you fill in esta. It’s optional, but implied you should provide it.
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by TameAntelope on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:20AM (#30412801)
Hm, well none of any of that would be additionally required for this new program, and I'd be willing to wager EU law prohibits the collection of social media account information.
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by bilbo0s on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:40AM (#30412929)
EU law prohibits the collection of social media account information

I looked it up, and by my reading it does prohibit collection of social media account information. However, it's not clear to me that these protections apply to non-EU residents? Any actual lawyers able to chime in on this?

I guess at worst, any suspicious US citizens will have their internet details collected? Since we do the same to EU citizens, I guess I can't complain, but this creeping global data collection monster really gets under my skin.

Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by klipt on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:43AM (#30412951)
If all countries imposed visa reciprocity, Europeans would lose a lot of their visa free privileges too.

The fundamental principle deciding visa restrictions isn't reciprocity, it's power.

Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by verst on Monday February 21, 2022 @03:15AM (#30413154)
You make it sound as if Americans wouldn't also be losing a lot of visa free privileges around the world. We absolutely would.
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by klipt on Monday February 21, 2022 @06:51PM (#30422331)
If the fundamental principle was reciprocity. Which it isn't.
Re:Americans Will Need to Register to Travel to Europe in 2023 by 8note on Monday February 21, 2022 @02:52AM (#30413018)
Free movement is beneficial to the place people are arriving?