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Re:Thoughts on Intel software-defined silicon by tomxor on Saturday February 19, 2022 @08:17AM (#30396932)
> Or maybe Intel thinks this will let them do sticker prices that are drastically lower and thus look better vs AMD et al even as they can still extract more money in the end? It's worrying. In fact now that I think more on it, Intel weakening but using this [...] they will have an installed base with a capability to squeeze it.

I think this is the most concerning possibility... people building servers or devs and gamers will be able to wise up to the shenanigans and then pick a competitor; but punters walking around a computer store are not going to appreciate the differences if Intel get away with making big claims on the sticker (possibly even spinning "software defined silicon" as a way for them to upgrade hardware over the wire) - for the average consumer this would making an already difficult to achieve informed comparisons hopeless.

Reality may be different though, it's easy to assume the worst with the blue chips - perhaps this is just an optimisation on their current practices rather than a squeeze on customers, the concern is of course if they will exploit this new capability to the full potential we are all speculating on.

Re:Thoughts on Intel software-defined silicon by dr_zoidberg on Saturday February 19, 2022 @09:37AM (#30397411)
> ...but punters walking around a computer store are not going to appreciate the differences if Intel get away with making big claims on the sticker (possibly even spinning "software defined silicon" as a way for them to upgrade hardware over the wire) - for the average consumer this would making an already difficult to achieve informed comparisons hopeless.

This. I can already imagine it: "hey, my notebook was getting a bit sluggish, but I upgraded it over the internet with Software Defined Silicon(TM) and just spent $100 instead of $500 that a new one would've costed".

And everyone who knows the "extra" capabilities were already there to begin with would be screaming on the inside.

Re:Thoughts on Intel software-defined silicon by ziml77 on Saturday February 19, 2022 @12:39PM (#30398837)
You don't have to imagine it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Upgrade_Service

But it sounds like the pushback was strong enough that it was quickly killed off.

Re:Thoughts on Intel software-defined silicon by BoorishBears on Saturday February 19, 2022 @12:35PM (#30398808)
Why?

Old laptop would have cost $100 more if they optioned it in at purchase like we currently do.

That'd be a neat trick to be honest, buy a base CPU, and if it works for your usage you saved, if not, buy the upgrade.

Subscriptions getting non technical users are the only way this goes wrong, and not saying it won't, but that's not really where things are at.

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HP is doing that with ink, I was truly deeply horrified to find out my mother pays a subscription for her printer.

The printer won't work without internet, even for local printing.

And you pay per page, not for ink. So they send you ink whenever you're out for "free", but if you run out of pages you can't print anymore...

Re:Thoughts on Intel software-defined silicon by Tijdreiziger on Saturday February 19, 2022 @04:57PM (#30400913)
I'm not a huge fan of the HP ink subscription for privacy reasons (but my mom likes it), but isn't most of your comment just wrong?

- IIRC the printer will work without internet for a while (a week?), eventually you'll have to hook it back up though. (Makes sense to me if you're paying by the page.)

- You can't run out of pages. If you overrun your subscription, you just pay a few cents per extra page. Also, you can carry over pages up to a few months (so if your subscription is for 100 pages/month, and you didn't print in the last 2 months, you can print 300 pages this month without having to pay extra).

- Cost-wise, the subscription is actually a pretty good value compared to buying cartridges outright.

Re:Thoughts on Intel software-defined silicon by c0npr on Sunday February 20, 2022 @05:20AM (#30404667)
To add to others' opinions, HP have their offline driver very hard to find and almost can't install properly. Even what I want to use is the scan function on the printer, I will have to get internet access to open up a account with HP, or else the phone app and computer app just refuses to show the relevant pages... Just outright annoying and would not buy any HP product again before they improve the situation
Re:Thoughts on Intel software-defined silicon by BoorishBears on Sunday February 20, 2022 @01:24AM (#30403678)
No, none of the comment is wrong, you're just confused.

> IIRC the printer will work without internet for a while (a week?), eventually you'll have to hook it back up though. (Makes sense to me if you're paying by the page.)

In other words printer doesn't work without Internet.

You know you have a bad point when the creators of the thing don't even agree with it:

https://instantink.hpconnected.com/us/en/terms

If Your printer is not connected to the Internet, then the Instant Ink-activated Cartridges will be disabled and You will not be able to use them to print;

A grace period doesn't change anything about this.

> You can't run out of pages. If you overrun your subscription, you just pay a few cents per extra page.

In other words... you can run out of pages.

When you out of pages you're automatically forced to buy more pages, and if you don't, the printer won't print, regardless of ink level.

And the rollover had me howling with laughter, by capping rollover HP figured out away to literally take ink out of your printer if you don't use it!

Except it's "pages" they claw back of course, and instead of taking ink out, they just require you to pay for an additional month if you plan to use it even though it's sitting in the printer :D

> Cost-wise, the subscription is actually a pretty good value compared to buying cartridges outright.

It's not unless you buy the $20 a month plan and print 4,000 pages a month and they're mostly color...

https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/hp-officejet-pro-9015-all-in-o...

> If you buy the highest-yield XL ink cartridges (2,000 pages monochrome and 1,600 pages color) for this AIO, each monochrome page will cost you about 2.2 cents and each color print will run about 8.8 cents. Subscribing to the company’s highest-yield Instant Ink subscription (700 pages for $19.99 per month, with each additional 20 pages for $1), each page will cost you 2.9 cents… Hence, it is with colorful, content-heavy pages that Instant Ink delivers the best value…

God help you if you're one of the unfortunate souls suckered into an "occasional use plan"...

You pay 6 cents a page

At which point even color prints are more expensive!

And this is literally anything you print! Even a piece of paper that says "the" costs more than a full page full glossy color photo from a cartridge!

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C'mon, you really thought HP would literally lease you an ink cartridge and it'd be a good deal?

Because that's what Instant Ink is btw... they own that cartridge: https://support.hp.com/ee-en/product/hp-photosmart-microlab-...

It's genius really, they invented a program that mostly entices occasional users.

And charges them more than the ink would be worth even at first party prices (let's forget about 3rd party refills lol)

And then caps rollovers so that they can lose value which is an indirect way of... magically stretching ink.

Truly mind bendingly incredible but evil stuff. Kudos to whoever taught of it.

Re:Thoughts on Intel software-defined silicon by Tijdreiziger on Sunday February 20, 2022 @09:53AM (#30406140)
It seems to me that you fundamentally misunderstand the premise of the subscription... You're not paying for ink or cartridges in the first place, but for the service of printing.

It's also cheaper by your own admission (6 < 8.8) (assuming color prints, because why else buy a color printer?).

Re:Thoughts on Intel software-defined silicon by charcircuit on Saturday February 19, 2022 @04:52PM (#30400877)
>So they send you ink whenever you're out for "free"

Actually they try and predict when you will run out as opposed to waiting for you to run out.

Re:Thoughts on Intel software-defined silicon by snek_case on Saturday February 19, 2022 @09:43AM (#30397454)
> Intel get away with making big claims on the sticker (possibly even spinning "software defined silicon" as a way for them to upgrade hardware over the wire)

Kind of like buy now, pay later. You can buy this cheap computer now but don't worry, you can always upgrade it later.