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Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by brthsim on Friday February 18, 2022 @09:13AM (#30385866)
Anyone who says "We certainly have a right to raise [...] (issues with) racism, human rights abuse, etc." and immediately follows with "That being said however", is automatically not entitled to an opinion. You're clearly biased and enfatuated with the richness of the country and easy access to slavery and are more than content of looking the other way.
Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by _hhkg on Friday February 18, 2022 @09:32AM (#30386129)
I don’t think that’s fair. You don’t know why I’m here and calling me an entitled prick is laughable because of your base assumptions. Maybe I’m here for humanitarian reasons and am trying to improve the lives of many.

I’m not infatuated by anything, I’m simply raising a nuanced opinion about a country that has many faults, but has some successes which are never acknowledged. And that’s fine.

Just thought it might be interesting to hear a viewpoint from someone who actually lives here rather than blindly reads the news and maybe has visited a few times. Labeling me and calling me names doesn’t help or bring anything useful to the conversation. If you can’t name a single positive thing the UAE has done, then to me, maybe it’s worth it to do some further investigation on the topic.

Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by WilTimSon on Friday February 18, 2022 @10:33AM (#30387032)
That's a lot of maybes. You said in your initial comment that you fight racism and slavery there every day, so... are you there on humanitarian reasons? Part of an NGO?
Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by bitcharmer on Friday February 18, 2022 @10:52AM (#30387279)
No, it's entirely fair. You just refuse to appreciate the dissonance between the country that lets you live a comfy life and actual evil that happens there on daily basis.

There was so much media coverage about human rights violations and slavery you'd have to put in a lot of effort to not see it.

Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by _hhkg on Friday February 18, 2022 @11:09AM (#30387509)
I appreciate the dissonance just fine. I live here and face it every day when actually interacting with people. We go out of our way to support them as much as we can (buying furniture and things for those who cannot afford it, proving financial and emotional support, and just hanging out with them).

As I’ve mentioned now several times, I’m not blind to it. The UAE has engaged in many poorly made decisions, however I was simply trying to engage in some conversation about something the western media doesn’t often talk about - the positive things the UAE does. If your response to that is, “the UAE is entirely negative, why engage in anything positive”, then I’d suggest seeking information on the positive things the country has done for others. Maybe it’ll broaden your horizon and bring some nuance. I’d state more positives here, but I keep getting called names, so I won’t list any more positives.

Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by tasha0663 on Friday February 18, 2022 @09:43AM (#30386288)
Opinions will exist with or without your permission. There's no entitlement about it, and you would have no standing to decide it if there was. "Automatically not entitled to an opinion" is a dog whistle for fascism.
Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by brynx97 on Friday February 18, 2022 @09:19AM (#30385939)
Well said. They shield themselves well, and they package it up nicely for business interests and tourists to tolerate it or never experience problematic situations.
Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by thematrixturtle on Friday February 18, 2022 @11:00AM (#30387381)
By this logic, your own opinions are invalid, since as an American you clearly personally condone every social evil in that country.
Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by CJefferson on Friday February 18, 2022 @09:25AM (#30386021)
Does the same apply to America? Plenty of racism, people shot in their homes by police, Guantanamo Bay still open.
Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by throw__away7391 on Friday February 18, 2022 @09:35AM (#30386171)
I really think an educational program is needed to take people from the US to visit some non-western countries with "human rights issues" and see what this actually looks like for a bit to cure this kind of whataboutism deflections that crop up anytime criticisms are made of conditions for people in foreign countries.
Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by logicchains on Friday February 18, 2022 @09:38AM (#30386217)
>take people from the US to visit some non-western countries with "human rights issues" and see what this actually looks like for a bit

I'm sure once they come to Dubai they'll be horrified how the streets aren't covered in human shit and used needles.

Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by throw__away7391 on Friday February 18, 2022 @10:04AM (#30386611)
I almost feel like you're proving my point. Try going outside the tourist districts. Nobody is complaining that the streets of downtown Dubai are dirty, they're complaining that they're being cleaned by slave labor.
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Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by delecti on Friday February 18, 2022 @10:08AM (#30386661)
Comparing slavery to vaccines is simply absurd. Slavery is one of the worst things humans do to each other, and vaccines are one of our greatest accomplishments as a species. You can go through life as a walking petri dish for dark age plagues if you'd like, but I think it's good for society to keep you away from the rest of us.
Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by logicchains on Friday February 18, 2022 @10:21AM (#30386834)
>Comparing slavery to vaccines is simply absurd

Comparing the covid vaccines to previous vaccines is simply absurd. You know what other vaccines do? THEY PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING THE DISEASE! The covid vaccines do not do this! Even if you get the covid vaccine, you can still get covid and you can still die! And not only that, the covid vaccines are at least an order of magnitude more dangerous than previous vaccines in terms of causing severe adverse effects and death, as measured by post-market safety databases like VAERS and VigiAccess.

That aside, I'm not comparing slavery to vaccines; I'm comparing slavery to compulsory medical treatment! Both are horrendous assaults on human dignity because they deny the person's right to choose what they do with their body.

>but I think it's good for society to keep you away from the rest of us.

Have fun when the government forces you to inject some chip or implant to track your every movement and there's nobody there to save you because all the people who brave enough to fight for bodily autonomy already left your sick state.

The rights that protect someone like me from someone like you assaulting me with needles are the same rights that would prevent a future Trump-but-worse leader from sterilising someone like you for your sexual preferences. Give up those rights, and the majority has full control over what goes into your body.

Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by delecti on Friday February 18, 2022 @11:06AM (#30387463)
> You know what other vaccines do? THEY PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING THE DISEASE

That's not even true. All vaccines just prime your immune system to be able to more effectively handle the pathogen. That reduces the likelihood of you spreading it, and reduces the severity of symptoms. Good vaccines to that to such an extent that both become negligible. For example, from the wikipedia page for the MMR vaccine, it provides a 97% protection against measles, and only 88% against mumps. That's enough to reduce the rate of spread low enough to basically stop endemic spread. The mRNA COVID vaccines aren't quite that effective, but they're still pretty good.

Anyone can submit anything to VAERS. I could right now go and submit to it that Moderna turned my skin green and gave me wings. The average rate of side effects is significantly lower with the vaccine than COVID itself, and that makes it a no brainer.

And I don't want compulsory medical treatment, nobody is being strapped down and injected, but I don't mind society imposing restrictions to require vaccinations to do certain activities. So far, the only time my vaccination status has been relevant is while traveling internationally, and when taking off my mask to eat in a restaurant. I'm fully in support of restrictions like those. To me that's like drunk driving laws: you can drink, but you can't drive while it would make you a danger to those around you.

We've had vaccine mandates for hundreds of years and aren't any closer to mandatory chip implants, so that seems to be a pretty an unjustifiable slippery slope argument. Vaccine mandates seem to be a pretty stable end-game of medical mandates.

Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by ceejayoz on Friday February 18, 2022 @11:18AM (#30387629)
> You know what other vaccines do? THEY PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING THE DISEASE!

That's just an absurd claim. Even our best vaccines don't guarantee that, and some of them can even give you the disease. The flu shot has 50% efficacy in a good year.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/polio-cases-now-caus...

"More polio cases now caused by vaccine than by wild virus... In rare cases, the live virus in oral polio vaccine can mutate into a form capable of sparking new outbreaks. All the current vaccine-derived polio cases have been sparked by a Type 2 virus contained in the vaccine. Type 2 wild virus was eliminated years ago."

https://www.cdc.gov/cpr/polioviruscontainment/diseaseandviru...

"IPV does not stop transmission of the virus. OPV is used wherever a polio outbreak needs to be contained, even in countries which rely exclusively on IPV for their routine immunization program."

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/mmr/public/index.html

"Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps... MMR is an attenuated (weakened) live virus vaccine. This means that after injection, the viruses cause a harmless infection in the vaccinated person with very few, if any, symptoms before they are eliminated from the body. The person’s immune system fights the infection caused by these weakened viruses, and immunity (the body’s protection from the virus) develops."

Re:The Dubai Debt Trap by aceofspades19 on Friday February 18, 2022 @12:14PM (#30388368)
> Comparing the covid vaccines to previous vaccines is simply absurd. You know what other vaccines do? THEY PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING THE DISEASE! The covid vaccines do not do this! Even if you get the covid vaccine, you can still get covid and you can still die!

Name one vaccine ever made that has a 100% prevention rate. I've never seen anyone claim this for any vaccine before covid.