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Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by throwaway09223 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @11:11PM (#30382048)
> if I go all out on a row machine for 30 minutes, I'll burn 300 calories.

A stationary bike at a steady 20mph pace is about 500 calories in 30 minutes. That's really significant. An hour will erase about a third of a normal person's diet.

When I used to do heavy training (long distance running, weight training) I would eat close to 8k calories a day and I was in fantastic shape. Eating more was necessary to survive, given how much energy I was expending.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by masklinn on Friday February 18, 2022 @02:12AM (#30382953)
> A stationary bike at a steady 20mph pace is about 500 calories in 30 minutes. That's really significant. An hour will erase about a third of a normal person's diet.

That assumes a “normal person” will not compensate for the effort with a snack.

A “reward” pint of ice cream will re-add more calories than the hour of cycling. A “standard serving” will nearly match your half hour.

And that’s an hour at 20mph, which really isn’t in any way the norm.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by NoboruWataya on Friday February 18, 2022 @10:49AM (#30387230)
> That assumes a “normal person” will not compensate for the effort with a snack.

You're also assuming the same normal person will not compensate for their healthy lunch with a snack.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by nradov on Friday February 18, 2022 @12:13AM (#30382363)
Most people can't manage to burn 1000 kcal in a 60 minute workout. I am a large man in fairly good shape and have to put in a pretty hard effort to hit those numbers. People who are smaller or not well trained are going to be significantly lower.

Measuring stationary bike workouts in terms of mph is kind of meaningless. What actually matters is the measured power output based on the resistance setting.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by throwaway09223 on Friday February 18, 2022 @12:53AM (#30382541)
I'm a 40 year old guy who's been sitting behind a desk writing software for two decades. I was in good shape in my 20s but haven't exercised significantly in a very long time.

It took me about three months to get up to that speed, cycling every other day. I started out doing 10 miles, at 10mph.

Three months isn't all that long for an exercise program.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by nradov on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:30AM (#30385447)
Color me skeptical. In order to burn 1000 kcal in 60 minutes a cyclist would have to sustain a power output of about 280 W. Do you have a calibrated power meter, or are you going by the "vanity" calories displayed by most stationary bikes?

There are certainly plenty of trained cyclists who can maintain that power output, but I've never seen anyone reach that level after only 3 months. If you really did that then you're an extreme genetic outlier with an unusually fast training response.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by throwaway09223 on Friday February 18, 2022 @09:11AM (#30385852)
I don't know, actually. I'll check it out later today. I do know my heart rate is around 150-160 throughout.

I did a lot of cycling in my 20s and while I'm at least a decade out of shape I'm sure I'm relying a lot on past training.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by nradov on Friday February 18, 2022 @12:13PM (#30388352)
High aerobic fitness evaporates pretty quickly. The training you did a decade ago will not carry over to today. However, there are a few genetic outliers who can quickly build up a high level of fitness with just a short training program. You could be one of them, but it's more likely you're just getting bad data.

Absolute heart rate doesn't tell us much about calorie consumption because there's a huge variation between individuals. If we know the athlete's size, sex, and threshold heart rate then we can start to make some kind of estimate. But to get an accurate number it really takes a properly calibrated power meter (or more complex lab tests involving exhaled gas measurement).

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by throwaway09223 on Friday February 18, 2022 @01:03PM (#30388993)
It seems doubtful the measurements would be far off. The numbers fit with the expected 50 or so calories per mile biked.
Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by nradov on Friday February 18, 2022 @01:30PM (#30389320)
It's doubtful that your measurements are even close to accurate. If you're on a stationary bike then the distance displayed is completely meaningless. The equipment manufacturers just show those numbers to make their customers feel good. In terms of calories they are in no way comparable to real outdoor cycling. You can get a great workout on a stationary bike but you need to be realistic about the true power output.

What is the actual power output in watts? Has it been properly calibrated? If not then you're just fooling yourself.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by throwaway09223 on Friday February 18, 2022 @02:18PM (#30389941)
"Completely meaningless" and "in no way comparable?"

These statements are rather extreme and seem impossible to support. Energy output per mile with real world cycling has enormous variance as well. Why so much concern for precision regarding one and not the other?

I don't think there's much point in continuing here.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by nradov on Friday February 18, 2022 @10:03PM (#30394043)
I'll continue with one last comment just for the sake of others who might be reading. The "distance" displayed on most stationary bikes is calculated by counting flywheel revolutions and multiplying by some arbitrary factor. It has no real correlation with the actual distance you would cover by pedaling a real bike with the same effort. It's a totally pointless number that tells you nothing useful about caloric expenditure, but some customers want to see it so the manufacturers put it on the display.

You can get an accurate calculation of real world cycling calories with a power meter. Everyone's cycling efficiency in terms of power output per calorie burned falls within a fairly narrow range so converting from time and watts to calories is simple. A good power meter accurate to within a couple percent can be added to any bike for about $700.

Smart trainers like a Tacx Neo or Wahoo Kickr also have accurate power meters built in. Those are substantially different from typical stationary bikes.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by throwaway09223 on Monday February 21, 2022 @10:46AM (#30417132)
fwiw, I checked and the bike does have a power meter, I think it's an RS3 Lifecycle (or some similar model). I do a sustained 220-250w for an hour.

I understand the translation between power and mph is somewhat approximated, but I think you could be more generous. It's not unreasonable to make this kind of approximation and the numbers aren't meaningless.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by Bishonen88 on Friday February 18, 2022 @08:00AM (#30385176)
Not that it matters, but reporting mph for a stationary bike (indoor trainer I assume) is meaningless in this context. This could mean that you're cycling anywhere between 0 and 2000 Watts.

I cycle on and off for ~8 years (35yo) and going at 20mph in the real world for an hour or more became possible only after a few years for me.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by aixi on Friday February 18, 2022 @04:02AM (#30383586)
same here, I'm in my late 20s and was generally unhealthy because of the pandemic, and I burn 630-700 calories per 30 minutes worked out
Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by nradov on Friday February 18, 2022 @11:35AM (#30387845)
That is unlikely. How are you measuring calorie burn? You're probably overestimating.

As a point of comparison, an average size man would have to run at a speed of at least 11 mph (18 km/h) in order to burn that many calories in 30 minutes. Not impossible, but well beyond what most of us can manage.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by tomjen3 on Friday February 18, 2022 @01:06AM (#30382606)
>A stationary bike at a steady 20mph pace is about 500 calories in 30 minutes

It is also something at most a tiny minority of the obese population can do.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by AuryGlenz on Friday February 18, 2022 @01:40AM (#30382794)
I just plugged a 300 pound person in to a calculator for a “moderate” walking speed, and that’d burn nearly 500 calories in an hour.
Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by sersi on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:01AM (#30383237)
Most 300 pound people I know cannot walk for an hour at a moderate walking speed.
Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by tomjen3 on Friday February 18, 2022 @03:17AM (#30383324)
You are severely overestimating the physical abilities of a severely obese person.
Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by ngngngng on Thursday February 17, 2022 @11:45PM (#30382227)
An hour will replace a third of a healthy persons diet.

Fats are the secret to obesity, hands down. I have a remarkably small appetite and I can easily down 1000 calories of ice cream in a single sitting (a single pint of Ben and Jerry's. You can row like crazy for 30 minutes, but if you have two extra candy bars, it's meaningless.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by throwaway09223 on Friday February 18, 2022 @12:50AM (#30382534)
Avoiding calorie dense foods is big, yeah. But exercise is exercise and at higher levels (1+ hour/day) the caloric burn is very significant compared to baseline metabolic rates.

Yes, our bodies are built to take in more calories than we can burn (thankfully!), but if you keep your eating habits constant the exercise will make a huge difference.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by eli_gottlieb on Friday February 18, 2022 @11:13AM (#30387563)
>An hour will erase about a third of a normal person's diet.

Pretty sure most people shouldn't be eating 3000 calories/day.

Re:Scientist busts myths about how humans burn calories by throwaway09223 on Friday February 18, 2022 @01:05PM (#30389019)
Probably not, but the average American does eat about 3600/day.