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Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by missedthecue on Thursday February 17, 2022 @03:55PM (#30378542)
If this is true why will any bank give me a 40 year mortgage on beachfront property today?
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by reincarnate0x14 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:01PM (#30378619)
Because the money train is still running ... until it stops. As with most systemic problems the vested interests in the status quo will prop something up as long as possible, ignoring the underlying failures until all at once a domino effect kicks off and years of collapse appear to hit all at once.

I'd imagine it'll be around insurance underwriting for the structures and the financial instruments attached to them.

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by jliptzin on Thursday February 17, 2022 @03:59PM (#30378597)
Because they package up your loan with a bunch of others and sell it to another company within a year, no sweat off their back. What does flood insurance cost?
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by m0llusk on Thursday February 17, 2022 @05:16PM (#30379422)
The increasing number and intensity of disasters is causing many types of insurance, particularly flood and fire, to become scarcely available. We are beyond basic cost accounting at this point.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by missedthecue on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:25PM (#30378892)
Flood insurance is immaterial to the arguments here considered. You buy it year by year, not in 40 year contracts. They will stop selling to you once your house is about to go underwater. Who would insure a house at the bottom of the ocean?
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by BobbyJo on Thursday February 17, 2022 @05:01PM (#30379265)
If your expected return from an insurance isn't negative, don't expect it to exist next year.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by missedthecue on Thursday February 17, 2022 @05:13PM (#30379381)
If an insurance company is guaranteed to have an $800,000 claim filed on their policy within the next 12 months because your house is already flooded, they won't sell you the policy.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by landemva on Thursday February 17, 2022 @06:41PM (#30380287)
That would work in an economic free market. Instead, the Feds force everyone else to subsidize flood insurance. https://www.floodsmart.gov/
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by missedthecue on Friday February 18, 2022 @12:18AM (#30382396)
Go get an insurance policy on a house that is currently underwater and tell me who gives you a quote. I'll send you $1000 if you do this.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by jamiek88 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @03:57PM (#30378561)
Because the people issuing those mortgages will be long retired by the time it comes home to roost and also they are probably banking on a federal govt bailout.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by dylan604 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:28PM (#30378918)
If you mortgage a property and the property is destroyed, you are still on the hook to repay the loan. If you have insurance that will cover it, then great. If not, you still owe the note. Sound like sound logic for the banker types.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by cobookman on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:32PM (#30378955)
That's not the case in NON recourse states, such-as California. https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/what-is-a-rec...
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by missedthecue on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:30PM (#30378932)
Except that you don't buy insurance in 40 year contracts. Once the water gets too close, it will become uninsurable. It would be like selling insurance on a house that is burning.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by dylan604 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:50PM (#30379160)
Nah, some insurance company will continue to take people's money, but when it comes time to make a claim, they will come back with this was not an act of god event, but a malicious man made event. Claim denied!
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by mhh__ on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:14PM (#30378765)
Who cares about tomorrow when the bonus pays out today
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by sbierwagen on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:20PM (#30378834)
"As long as the music is playing, you’ve got to get up and dance." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Prince#Credit_crisis

Publicly traded banks have an obligation to their shareholders to make money. Nobody wants to be the first to abandon a profit center. A classic multipolar coordination trap that, theoretically, governments are here to fix.

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by missedthecue on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:24PM (#30378883)
Why will my credit union do this? Why will state run banks in other countries do it?
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by colechristensen on Thursday February 17, 2022 @05:39PM (#30379668)
By the time your home will be worthless you’ll at least have paid back the principal. Add in the uncertainty of so many too big to fail bailouts of bad mortgages probably happening and large scale engineering projects to save homes probably happening and you’ve still got a decent bet by the bank.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by lkxijlewlf on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:32PM (#30378954)
Why wouldn't they? You still owe the money even after your house washes away into the ocean.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by drclau on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:01PM (#30378613)
Because greed.
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by missedthecue on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:29PM (#30378925)
I don't buy this. There are plenty of things a bank will not lend you money for. I can't get a 2 million mortgage for instance. I can't get a mortgage to buy undeveloped land. I can't get a loan to start a business. I can't get a loan to buy a business. Why is this very specific circumstance one where all risk parameters fly out the window? Why aren't they recklessly greedy in the other situations I list?
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by TigeriusKirk on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:37PM (#30379008)
I feel like you've asked a good question. I don't doubt the conclusions of the report, and I don't think the banks do either.

Why, then, would they make what the facts indicate are bad loans?

Greed is a partial answer, sure. This is hardly the only place where corporations trade risk in the distant future for revenue today.

But my instinct is that the greater part of it is inertia. They make the loans because they've always made the loans and it will take a good deal of energy to change that.

My guess is that it's an area where change will come as a short, very sharp shock. One year all the banks will make these loans and the next year none of them will.

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by refurb on Thursday February 17, 2022 @06:43PM (#30380309)
And why did Obama buy beach front property on Long Island and Hawaii.

Just keep an eye on the rich people.

Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by wnevets on Thursday February 17, 2022 @03:57PM (#30378564)
which banks give out 40 year mortgages?
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by nopeYouAreWrong on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:07PM (#30378690)
all of them
Re:2022 Sea Level Rise Technical Report by wnevets on Thursday February 17, 2022 @04:35PM (#30378991)
It's not an option from mine. A 40 year mortgage sounds so much better than a 30.