Re:I collect and read old computer manuals
by rhn_mk1 on Wednesday February 16, 2022 @05:33PM
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The worst is where you assume a vanilla implementation of some basic functionality, so you skip the explanation, but actually, there's a quirk inside that you only discover after scratching your head for a while.
Newbies are lucky in this way, that they don't have even a mistaken reason to skip reading the basics.
Re:I collect and read old computer manuals
by StillLrning123 on Thursday February 17, 2022 @06:47AM
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Unix/ Linux man pages are really hard to understand because of this
Re:I collect and read old computer manuals
by throwanem on Thursday February 17, 2022 @09:30AM
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True, but they make up for it by being also very difficult to use in their intended role as aides-memoire, both because of the way they're written and because the relatively primitive format provides no aid to search or navigation.
Re:I collect and read old computer manuals
by jvanderbot on Thursday February 17, 2022 @11:45AM
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I find `man X | grep Y` actually works OK, and the "see also" at the bottom is quite helpful for finding related information.
But if I don't already know exactly what I'm looking for, it's hard to use. It's really difficult to "learn about" how to open sockets if I can't remember sockaddr_t exact spelling or the right header to include.
Re:I collect and read old computer manuals
by gnubison on Thursday February 17, 2022 @12:17PM
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On a BSD, try ‘man -Otag=l ls’ or ‘:tl’ (from less) for e.g. ls -l. This also works for larger man pages: ‘man -Otag=OCRNL termios’. More specifically, this requires the mandoc man implementation, which is also available on Linux — it’s what I prefer for all my machines.
tl;dr: it’s groff(1), not the -man and -mdoc formats, which is primitive (in this sense).
In my opinion, the same is true of computing - as a mentor, especially when working with folks who don't come to programming from a "typical" background, there's a lot of basic context that has to be conveyed precisely because so much of our docs assume they can leave out all the stuff that "everybody knows".