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Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by rvz on Monday February 14, 2022 @01:13AM (#30328888)
I don’t think anyone should celebrate hackers attacking donation websites these days.

Such script-kiddie behaviour should be reported to the authorities and they will trace the attacks back to them. They always do.

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Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by rvz on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:01AM (#30329059)
As if the whole platform was specifically built for that event.

Where does the law say that hacking websites you don’t like without their permission is OK then?

If for whatever reason you don’t like what they are doing, just report that specific group to the authorities.

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by jagger27 on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:09AM (#30329097)
I’m not particularly interested in having a “principled” conversation about laws and their enforcement when those occupying my city are breaking far more serious laws and continue to go unpunished.
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by ALittleLight on Monday February 14, 2022 @03:30AM (#30329638)
What use are principles if they don't apply when things are difficult?
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by rvz on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:31AM (#30329218)
So yes then? You think, it’s fine to attack and celebrate someone’s website that you don’t like being breached because somehow they have attracted other people you don’t like?

Oh dear. Just as extreme as hacktivist groups like Anonymous then who everyone knows that they are on no-one’s side.

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by yonaguska on Monday February 14, 2022 @06:34AM (#30330808)
I would hazard that "Anonymous" has probably been a state actor for a long time. At least partially.
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by lelanthran on Monday February 14, 2022 @03:03AM (#30329464)
Isn't what they're doing part of democracy? By supporting the hacking, you're actually undermining democracy.
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by jagger27 on Monday February 14, 2022 @03:04AM (#30329477)
Democracy is when foreign far right groups participate in and fund a domestic protest where people demand the resignation of elected officials, got it.
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by yonaguska on Monday February 14, 2022 @06:32AM (#30330790)
I hate to say what about, but BLM raised millions of dollars of money, with no restrictions on where it was from- and ActBlue managed donations, which would have been a very illegal thing according to our political campaign donation laws. But even our AG's and circuit judges are picking political sides. Democracy...
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by lelanthran on Monday February 14, 2022 @04:20AM (#30329973)
> Democracy is when foreign far right groups participate in and fund a domestic protest where people demand the resignation of elected officials, got it.

Well, yeah. Whether the protesters are misinformed or not is irrelevant, they are seeking to highlight their grievances.

You can't very well claim that people should only be able to highlight grievances that they personally, individually and without any external influence ... came up with themselves.

A grievance is still a grievance even if it was brought to the protestor's attention by a foreign power, by a local politician, by their neighbour or by the invisible green elves who live at the bottom of the protestor's garden.

1. You don't get to gatekeep that a grievance is valid only if it comes from the right[1].

2. You don't get to gatekeep that any and all grievances from the left[1] are automatically invalid.

3. You don't get to gatekeep that some things are legitimate grievances and others are not. If 1000 verified working-class people with jobs are literally peacefully protesting, maybe you shouldn't be feeling threatened?

[1] Switch the words 'left' and 'right' in this comment; the point is the same.

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by Dma54rhs on Monday February 14, 2022 @03:48AM (#30329767)
It's the same thinking Putin is using to shut down groups that fight for democracy. Every new idea is foreign and "funded" by foreign actors, its part of the liberal democracy spreading its ideas playbook.
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by cloutchaser on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:09AM (#30329096)
Do you have the same attitude about all the protests over the world over the last 2 years? Because all protest undermines democracy. Both BLM and vaccine protests.

That’s the point. Either you agree with both or neither

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Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by ALittleLight on Monday February 14, 2022 @03:34AM (#30329666)
Where I live BLM protesters ransacked a grocery store, looted a mall, lit a truck on fire, robbed a jewelry store, smashed windows, fought with the police and threatened people. I personally witnessed all of these events, and walked through the debris of their vandalism for days. Stores here had boarded up windows for weeks afterwards.

Granted, it didn't last as long as the trucker protest, but I feel like it's at least in the same ballpark.

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by danielvaughn on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:22AM (#30329168)
The BLM protests had stronger state resistance because they caused millions in property damage and at least a dozen deaths. So yeah it’s not the same at all.
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by hihihihi1234 on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:24AM (#30329179)
*billions
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Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by danielvaughn on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:31AM (#30329221)
The property damage was mostly malls and stores, which I’m sure you know, is what people were using to work and get paid.

And it’s not just “property damage” - they burnt those businesses to the fucking ground.

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by hihihihi1234 on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:35AM (#30329239)
> they burnt those businesses to the fucking ground.

Sometimes with people inside them:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/21/us/minneapolis-protest-bo...

PS why did GP get flagged? My views arent fully aligned with his but I don't think he wrote anything unacceptable. @dang can you review?

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by dang on Monday February 14, 2022 @03:06PM (#30337539)
If you mean https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30329197, comments like that violate the site guidelines in many ways and so are correctly flagged.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by hihihihi1234 on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:32AM (#30329231)
If it bothers you that thousands of people are not working or getting paid, wait till you learn what Western governments did in 2020.
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by _heimdall on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:47AM (#30329332)
> Other protests were met with stronger state resistance.

> It’s fucking disturbing to see people equate BLM protests with what’s happening here. It’s not the same.

Other protests met with stronger state resistance also also involved more aggressive protest behavior. Rights to free speech and assembly have very specific legal boundaries, but that boundary isn't defined by the level of inconvenience felt by the locals.

Yes parking trucks and gathering thousands of protestors in one city has both economic and social impacts, but I have yet to see any legitimate reports of a pattern of violence, destruction, or intimidation.

The city recommended that restaurants in the area close, and on at least one occasion the government was also attempting to have all hotel reservations in the city cancelled. If economic impact on Ottawa was the primary concern, why was no one calling for the government to stop interfering with local businesses that could have provided their services to the protestors?

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by jagger27 on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:55AM (#30329398)
> yet to see any legitimate reports of a pattern of violence, destruction, or intimidation.

Is this a bit? Really? People can’t leave their houses in masks lest they be followed and harassed by the occupiers. The Happy Goat coffee shop had a brick thrown in its front window (where a pride flag hangs) 400 meters from the main Ottawa Police station. Emergency vehicles are being blocked. A woman walking to work at Mu Shu was sexually assaulted. That’s just off the top of my head.

Kindly shove it.

Honking 120 decibel horns through the night for weeks is not inconvenience. It’s clear you don’t live here.

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by dang on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:59PM (#30337439)
Please do not cross into personal attack, no matter how wrong or ignorant someone else is or you feel they are. It's clear that you have legit reasons to feel strongly about this, but that doesn't make it ok to break the rules here (if it did, that alone would be sufficient to destroy this place, since many people have legit reasons for strong feelings on many topics). You've unfortunately been doing this repeatedly (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30329197). That's not cool.

Also, it's not in your interests to post this way, because it discredits the position you're arguing for. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

Edit: also, we've had to ask you not to do this in the past, long before the current topic became a thing (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27319713).

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by cloutchaser on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:21AM (#30329159)
Protests happen when the majority starts to repress the minority.

Democracy isn’t dictatorship of the majority. It’s supposed to be about compromise and respecting individuals while the majority makes decisions.

The losers of every “election” or people who aren’t represented by the governing party have a right to protest to make their voices heard.

Perhaps undermining democracy is an overstatement, I meant undermining those in power for the minority.

What I’ve just written I think applies both to the goals and vision of BLM and anti vaccine mandate protestors, interestingly.

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by hihihihi1234 on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:31AM (#30329220)
The BLM riots were applauded and supported by huge portions of the American political and media class, including Kamala Harris who encouraged people to donate to the rioters' bail funds.

Multiple people were killed at CHAZ in Seattle and the organizer of that insurrection (which was as close to the dictionary definition of an insurrection as they come) suffered no legal consequences and is now selling T-shirts.

You call that "state resistance"?

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by jcadam on Monday February 14, 2022 @12:20PM (#30334721)
Everyone knows protests are only legitimate if they have significant corporate sponsorship and the full-throated support of prominent politicians and celebrities in the entertainment industry.
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by burnished on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:46AM (#30329320)
Hey, I was there. You were lied to when you got reports of 'the violence and chaos and rioters', I know this because I got a call from my grandmother worried I might be near the war zone.

Oh, unless the violence you are referring to was the tear gassing from cops. There was a shit ton of that.

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by Rebelgecko on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:36AM (#30329245)
Riots are the language of the unheard
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by hihihihi1234 on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:38AM (#30329253)
Canadian truckers are 97% peaceful! And it doesn't matter that they're disrupting Ottowa business because those businesses have insurance.
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by larryflint on Monday February 14, 2022 @02:52AM (#30329373)
Why do you think that? I know people at the protests, they say its nothing but peaceful people, dancing, getting drunk.

What is unreasonable about ending mandates and rejecting the idea of the passport? I'm all for it!

Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by jdkjs on Monday February 14, 2022 @04:36AM (#30330080)
That’s a very brave criticism of Soros you have there!
Re:GiveSendGo Has Been Hacked by dang on Monday February 14, 2022 @03:05PM (#30337528)
Could you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN? You've been doing it repeatedly, and we ban that sort of account because it's not what this site is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html