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Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by toolz on Sunday February 13, 2022 @11:13AM (#30322722)
If you're poor and gambling, then you're making a stupid financial decision. So the odds of you being financially stupid seem likely to be high.
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by phphphphp on Sunday February 13, 2022 @11:28AM (#30322871)
For most people, gambling isn't a financial decision, it's an entertainment decision. The value of thinking about winning (regardless of how unlikely it is) is worth the $1 cost of a lottery ticket, so labelling gambling a "stupid financial decision" is like labelling owning a TV while poor a "stupid financial decision"... but poor people deserve entertainment as much as rich people.
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by emiliobumachar on Sunday February 13, 2022 @12:27PM (#30323484)
The people who buy a lot of tickets are overrepresented among the winners, to the exact proportion of the size of the ticket pile.
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by karamanolev on Sunday February 13, 2022 @04:44PM (#30325982)
I'd argue that for most gambling, it's not a decision, but an addiction or false hope financial decision. Those that treat it as a entertainment don't really gamble that much money.

Not sure if that's true by number of gamblers, but my gut says it's mostly true weighed by the amount of money gambled away. I say mostly, because we don't count rich kids / oligarchs wasting money for fun, who might dominate the value chart.

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by toolz on Sunday February 13, 2022 @11:43AM (#30323044)
Gambling is not a human right, no one deserves to be able to waste resources they have no matter how much they may or may not enjoy it.
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by samatman on Sunday February 13, 2022 @12:58PM (#30323818)
Time to trot out my favourite paraphrase of Babbbage: I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a statement.

Suppose another ape and I are out enjoying the State of Nature, and we both should have a round troy ounce of silver in our pockets, with heads and tails as an agreed convention. Suppose I were to say to the other ape, "on whose face does Fortune shine her rays?" and we were to flip both rounds, such that whomever showed heads had the better of it: were it both of us, we would exchange, but one head and one tails, well, one ape will leave the gamble richer and the other skint.

Tell me toolz, how should you prevent this encounter without committing a human rights violation? Show your work, please.

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by toolz on Sunday February 13, 2022 @01:31PM (#30324197)
Why would I prevent this encounter? Did two adults consent to behavior they both felt benefited them? Who are you or I to suggest our ideals are better than theirs?

All I've said is that you, nor I, should be responsible for making this behavior possible - you seem to have misinterpreted my intent completely if you think the absence of a right is the same as a mandate against someones ability to participate freely as they wish with other consenting adults.

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by kortilla on Sunday February 13, 2022 @02:16PM (#30324640)
You’re confusing rights and entitlements.
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by teawrecks on Sunday February 13, 2022 @12:02PM (#30323222)
What? So startups should not be allowed? 90% of them fail after all. The odds of a startup being successful is literally gambling.
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by fire on Sunday February 13, 2022 @12:14PM (#30323346)
I feel like the difference is that companies are generally intended to be a concerted effort of one or more individuals, as opposed to an actual roll of the dice.

Like without getting into nits, you can actually directly effect the direction and value of a company, but you can't affect the roll of dice or the output of a random number generators.

Risk in and of itself doesn't imply the entire thing is gambling; that said, investing by itself would be way closer to gambling in that context, imo

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by toolz on Sunday February 13, 2022 @12:26PM (#30323471)
Are you being sarcastic? I said it is not a human right - no one should guarantee anyone the ability to start a business as it isn't societies responsibility to pay the cost of some individuals risk tolerance.

I'm saying the opposite of what you seem to be implying. I'm saying anyone can gamble or start a business, but it's no ones responsibility to make sure they have the option to do so.

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by MathCodeLove on Sunday February 13, 2022 @01:33PM (#30324207)
Who are you arguing against? I don't think anyone is implying that gambling itself is a fundamental human right.
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by memonkey on Sunday February 13, 2022 @11:30AM (#30322892)
This applies to people who are gamblers.

Most people who are the poorest are usually the ones who know exactly where their dollars are going. They can tell you exactly how much a carton of eggs and milk are.

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by odonnellryan on Sunday February 13, 2022 @11:35AM (#30322942)
No. People buy lottery tickets for a lot of reasons. It is a fun bit of escapism and entertainment that costs just a few dollars.

You're making the assumption that everyone plays the lottery because they think it is a smart financial decision.

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by toolz on Sunday February 13, 2022 @11:46AM (#30323064)
I don't assume nor do I have to assume anything about someones intent to know that gambling is stupid. Entertainment can be had in so many forms today that even the poorest of the poor in developed countries can have choice paralysis from having so many options. Gambling is a stupid waste of resources, if you enjoy doing stupid things I have no moral/ethical qualms with your choices, but it's still stupid.
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by mrep on Sunday February 13, 2022 @12:27PM (#30323483)
I don't really like gambling outside of playing poker with my friends but your comment is reeking with a bias for what you define as "Entertainment".
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by heliodor on Sunday February 13, 2022 @09:51PM (#30327902)
Gambling is not a waste of resources. It is a transfer of resources from one entity to another. It's a zero-sum game.

On an individual level, gambling is roughly breaking even in the long run (say, 95% retention of the resources).

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by dragonwriter on Sunday February 13, 2022 @09:55PM (#30327923)
> Gambling is not a waste of resources.

Yes, it is.

> It is a transfer of resources from one entity to another. It's a zero-sum game.

All real gambling consumes as well as transfers resources, and is, therefore, negative sum.

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by odonnellryan on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:58AM (#30332047)
What do you mean consumes?

By your definition it seems literally everything is a "waste of resources"

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by dragonwriter on Monday February 14, 2022 @10:40AM (#30333300)
> By your definition it seems literally everything is a "waste of resources"

Most activities use resources.

Many produce value and are not a waste of resources.

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by heliodor on Sunday February 13, 2022 @10:39PM (#30328130)
> Yes it is.

No it's not.

Are we "debating" like in first grade or what is this?

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by odonnellryan on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:58AM (#30332035)
Gambling isn't even always stupid. There are professional gamblers who have made more money than I will ever make, and maybe more than you will, too.
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by tomc1985 on Sunday February 13, 2022 @02:07PM (#30324554)
My only beef with lottery players is that they always take forever in the convenience store line.
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by odonnellryan on Monday February 14, 2022 @08:59AM (#30332052)
Haha yes. I have only played the lottery, maybe, 10 times in my life. But it is fun sometimes, and in my state the money goes mostly to good causes anyway.
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by hunter-gatherer on Sunday February 13, 2022 @03:00PM (#30325027)
Before I read this I was thinking this exactly!
Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by HWR_14 on Sunday February 13, 2022 @12:43PM (#30323653)
If I'm about to be evicted or declare bankruptcy, does having $1 really change anything? Meanwhile, does having a small chance of staying in my house change anything?

It's easy to say "well, lotteries have a negative expected payoff". And that's true, but it can still have a less negative payoff than a payday loan or having your car repossessed.

Re:White hat hacker awarded $2M for fixing ETH-creation bug by IanCal on Monday February 14, 2022 @09:10AM (#30332159)
This is a good example of why utility curves are not, well, lines.

The utility of $2*X is not exactly twice $X. It can be more or less, and that can differ between different people.