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Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by parineum on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:21AM (#30298631)
> Suddenly vaccinated people are dropping dead left and right

I'm curious how you would describe the amount of people who have died of COVID itself if that's how you describe this (unspecific and unsourced) vaccine death rate.

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by dijit on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:20AM (#30298617)
Correlation != Causation.

More people died in hospitals after hospitals were invented. Doesn't mean that hospitals were killing people.

We're 2 years into a pandemic, it's obvious we're going to be learning more about long term effects; because it's not like we could know long term effects before people had been infected a long time ago.

"I'm probably going to get downvoted which proves my points" is.. not a good argument, you'll be downvoted for not applying even a modicum of critical thinking to your statements, it just comes across as anti-science.

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by gpu_explorer on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:19AM (#30298608)
> I'm probably going to get down voted, which only proves my points.

It proves precisely none of your points. Data please.

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by shermand89 on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:25AM (#30298668)
Data please? Have you been living under a rock?

There are very intelligent people on HN, but this weird obsession with data and scholarly articles is honestly stupid. We're not talking about events that occurred 100 years ago, we are all living this right NOW!

Personal and eyewitness testimonies count for nothing now? You're going to pretend that data is not manipulated? If you knew any history, you would know how common it is that data is manipulated.

Tell me, do you not see ANYTHING suspicious about what has been going on for the past 3 or even 6 years?

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by MauranKilom on Friday February 11, 2022 @04:17AM (#30299153)
> Personal and eyewitness testimonies count for nothing now?

Can't see your original comment, but assuming this refers to side effects with sub-percent occurrences, then the answer is "no, random testimonies have no statistical significance without a base rate to compare to".

You could put hundreds of people into the same room whose testimonies show that eating bread is deadly - you just have to find enough celiacs. That doesn't make the baking industry a big conspiracy.

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by Brakenshire on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:52AM (#30298924)
> Data please? Have you been living under a rock?

I’d say the same to you, if you didn’t see reports of heart problems before the vaccine were you living under a rock? Either you weren’t reading much or your filter bubble was removing that news, perhaps because the media you were reading was trying to minimise its impact at the time. It was very widely covered where I am. There was even a widely watched documentary in the UK of a well known science/health presenter who had heart problems after a Covid infection in early 2020. You can probably look it, it was called “Surviving the Virus: My Brother & Me“

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by gpu_explorer on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:33AM (#30298743)
> Data please? Have you been living under a rock?

> There are very intelligent people on HN, but this weird obsession with data and scholarly articles is honestly stupid. We're not talking about events that occurred 100 years ago, we are all living this right NOW!

I would just like to see data that supports what you propose in your original remarks. It doesn't have to be an encyclopedia of references. It's okay if there isn't data - I'll just assume you're sharing your opinion (which is totally cool as well of course).

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by youngtaff on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:20AM (#30298613)
There were lots of reports of blood clots, heart attacks, strokes etc in Spring 2020

Perhaps you should go back and read more of the reports at the time

You might also want to read the reports on vaccine effectiveness and side effects

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by shermand89 on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:37AM (#30298785)
Well, I guess all those football players and kids got unlucky then, right?

People were dying all the time, but suddenly when the vaccines came, we started seeing videos of football players dropping dead on the fields. What a coincidence right?

Well to be fair, we did see people shaking on the ground and convulsing in China and other places in the very early days of the pandemic. I'm sure that wasn't just bullshit right? It just stopped happening because... reasons...

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by input_sh on Friday February 11, 2022 @04:36AM (#30299281)
> we started seeing videos of football players dropping dead on the fields

You're saying that as if we didn't see that before. We have.

Hell, there's even a Wikipedia list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballer...

The only thing that changed recently is that the list now includes players that played in like the 3rd league in Indonesia, and neither the player nor the club they're playing for are relevant enough to have a Wikipedia page.

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by lucd on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:25AM (#30298667)
If there was such obvious nefarious and severe effects, pharmacovigilance would have seen it. Malone is one of the worst disinformer https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-m...
Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by raxxorrax on Friday February 11, 2022 @08:21AM (#30301129)
There actually is an significant increase in heart problem for young people. Especially in young women and it is assumed that it is connected to uptake of the pill in very early years.

Malone isn't worse than the standard CNN toyboy and the Atlantic isn't too reliable either. At least the online version.

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by shermand89 on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:34AM (#30298753)
Maybe you should listen to him instead of reading what The Atlantic wants you to believe about him? Have we not learned already that mainstream media is lying to us a lot?

Anyone who has followed politics since 2016 and has half a brain would not trust anything these people say.

Also, Dr. Robert Malone is just one of many who were censored.

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by 34679 on Friday February 11, 2022 @04:46AM (#30299365)
>One thing is clear about the revelation of the 2021 military epidemiological data and the military’s response to it: There is undoubtedly a public health and national security crisis in the military, and the Pentagon’s reaction only seems to be concerned with exonerating the vaccine, not fixing its own alleged problem.

https://www.theblaze.com/op-ed/horowitz-the-pentagons-respon...

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by rob74 on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:21AM (#30298627)
No, I guess people are just sick of conspiracy theorists...
Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by kkjjkgjjgg on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:24AM (#30298664)
Are there statistics on the football players? I've heard about them, but without statistics it is hard to tell if that really happened more frequently, or was just reported more frequently.
Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by dustinmoris on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:21AM (#30298633)
I've not seen anyone drop dead around me and everyone who I know had been vaccinated including myself and my entire family.

Have you got any news links which you could add to your comment which support the claim that healthy football players and young children have been dropping dead after taking the vaccine?

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by shermand89 on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:28AM (#30298695)
I've seen a ton of videos on social media. I didn't save the links to the videos, or the news articles about the incidents, but surely you can find them easily?

I know vaccinated people as well, and non-vaccinated people, both who have had covid, and all are doing fine.

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by dijit on Friday February 11, 2022 @03:59AM (#30299002)
if you're not trolling: you might want to seek some help.

These are not convincing arguments, though I don't doubt you believe them sincerely.

One of the most troubling things about our society right now is that there's a lot of easily refutable lies spread via social media; but people are unable or unwilling to question them.

The energy required to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude more than to spread it.

If we can't trust empirical data and instead rely on gut feelings and rumour, we're all fucked.

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by croon on Friday February 11, 2022 @10:35AM (#30302606)
> I've seen a ton of videos on social media.

This is your problem right here.

1) Was it real or not? Was it a video of someone getting a hernia in 2005? How did you verify it was real?

2) If it was real, what's the sample size? I'm assuming every occurence that's filmed in the world would show up. Can you make a video of half of them? A quarter? 4.23B people are vaccinated, did you see 50 videos? That's statistically insignificant. ~1000 people died from lightning strikes in the last year. Those aren't vaccine related either.

You distrust mainstream media, but you trust videos on social media? That's a terrible recipe for information consumption.

Re:Heart-disease risk soars after Covid, even with a mild case by dang on Friday February 11, 2022 @04:37PM (#30307309)