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Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by FriedPickles on Thursday February 10, 2022 @07:31PM (#30295083)
When you plug a Macbook in with the included two-prong power adapter, sometimes it buzzes slightly when you stroke it gently (ground loop). Im working with a factory to make a grounded duckhead adapter to fix this.

https://ibb.co/P4Bjstg

Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by blunte on Thursday February 10, 2022 @07:49PM (#30295270)
Wow. I had never experienced this until I moved from US to NL. It sometimes really bothers (scares?) me. If you have two Macbooks side by side, and you touch them both at the same time, you can get an even bigger sensation.

Now since you're in this area of expertise, do you think it's possible that on rare occasions I could lightly stroke another human (let's say in a bed, on a waterbed (water filled rubber container)) and feel the same sensation as I feel sometimes when I stroke the computer? Could be that both turn me on, but I'm pretty sure this was not imagined. It was also rare and strong when it happened.

Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by FriedPickles on Thursday February 10, 2022 @08:22PM (#30295548)
The sensation comes from the Macbook case voltage differing from that of ground, and finding a path to ground through your body. Sometimes, when you feel the sensation coming from the computer, if you lift your feet off the ground the sensation stops. This is because you are no longer a path to ground.

It's totally possible for this path to ground to go through two humans, making it feel like their skin is buzzing! For example, if your friend is in bed using a Macbook, they're insulated from ground and thus at Macbook case voltage. If you stand on the ground beside them and touch them, the current now finds a path to ground through both your bodies!

Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by raverbashing on Friday February 11, 2022 @01:49AM (#30297906)
> until I moved from US to NL

So, my guess is you're using the 2 pronged brick (US) plug with a US->EU plug adaptor.

Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by blunte on Friday February 11, 2022 @11:56AM (#30303702)
It also happens with EU spec machines and their respective EU power supplies. Could be that some of these older homes aren't properly grounding some outlets, so regardless of what you stick in there, maybe you're not getting a ground.

Despite how dangerous it sounds, I've never heard of anyone having a real shock... so I guess it's fine.

Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by user_7832 on Thursday February 10, 2022 @09:27PM (#30296087)
Hi, could you explain why this happens normally? Isn't the output neutral line of the DC charger supposed to be pretty much 0/ground anyway? Or is it that the neutral is a few volts off the ground?
Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by FriedPickles on Thursday February 10, 2022 @11:35PM (#30297027)
I wish I could, but I honestly don't know. All I know for sure is that using the ground pin 100% fixes it. If anybody on here could explain it, I'd be super grateful!
Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by zczc on Friday February 11, 2022 @02:47AM (#30298320)
There are filtering capacitors between mains and ground, see https://www.edaboard.com/threads/capacitors-between-power-an...
Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by empressplay on Thursday February 10, 2022 @10:31PM (#30296557)
This happens to me when I use my MacBook on a bed with an electric blanket
Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by kgin on Thursday February 10, 2022 @09:24PM (#30296061)
I think this actually will succeed
Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by maxwellito on Thursday February 10, 2022 @07:35PM (#30295126)
I was looking for it for ages. Please make a British version as well! This is neat!
Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by FriedPickles on Thursday February 10, 2022 @07:42PM (#30295201)
Glad you like it! But I thought the UK duckhead already has a ground pin?

https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MKU63B/A/67w-usb-c-pow...

Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by egeek on Thursday February 10, 2022 @08:23PM (#30295550)
At least on my older mag safe charger, only 2 pins are connected. You can pull off the UK plug and plug in the US or EU one, or even just a regular figure 8 lead (not sure of the correct name for these!)

Had a few times where I've had to disconnect the charger as I could feel an effect like static electricity on the metal case of the MacBook.

Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by FriedPickles on Thursday February 10, 2022 @09:00PM (#30295876)
Oh wow! Sure enough, the UK adapter _has_ the ground pin, but it's not connected to anything .

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/17575/how-to-prope...

Alright if I sell any of this North American grounded version, I'll make one for y'all across the pond!

Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by maxwellito on Thursday February 10, 2022 @08:59PM (#30295864)
That's right, but the short version isn't connected to the ground. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8594979
Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by FriedPickles on Thursday February 10, 2022 @09:04PM (#30295899)
I just found this too. So strange to have a useless prong--maybe it's just for mechanical support? IMO if thats the case they should make the whole prong plastic to indicate its lack of electrical function.
Re:Ask HN: What is your “I don't care if this succeeds” proj... by jvanderbot on Thursday February 10, 2022 @07:32PM (#30295100)
That's actually useful.