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Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by Bombthecat on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:27AM (#30273698)
Tried that already, didn't work..
Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by duxup on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:29AM (#30273719)
They banned tik tok ?
Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by twofornone on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:34AM (#30273808)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_...

Trump admin tried to restrict its use, at least among government/military, and perhaps predictably he was accused of racism/sinophobia...but the threat was just as real then as now.

Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by ferrumfist on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:00PM (#30275802)
The prevailing sentiment had nothing to do with racism, I recall the more liberal circles of the Internet lambasting his "small government, pro-business" stance while he uses executive orders to clamp down on private businesses.
Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by duxup on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:41AM (#30273922)
That doesn't really seem like "tried that" to me.
Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by dahfizz on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @11:21AM (#30274468)
There was literally an executive order which banned TikTok if the Chinese parent company did not sell the platform[1]. That's a pretty real "tried to ban tiktok".

[1] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13942

Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by duxup on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @11:23AM (#30274495)
To me an executive order doomed to fail in the courts really isn't a real attempt.
Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by dymk on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @11:31AM (#30274615)
Pray tell what a real attempt looks like to you?
Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by duxup on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @11:47AM (#30274809)
Legislation, a department taking action within their legal powers.

In the US it really does matter how you do things. Just the whim of the president is not enough for it to happen.

Trump had no legal basis for his order. He liked to act like he was doing things with grand strokes, many of them were doomed to fail. I'm not convinced that he or those around him even cared if they did or not.

I don't think you can read much into an amateur hour / foolish attempt.

Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by twofornone on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:02PM (#30275831)
Are you sure that the head of the executive branch does not have authority to ban federal employees from using an app which potentially poses a national security threat?

I don't think its so clear cut. In any case its hardly the first time that a president made a potentially unconditional to be ruled upon by courts later.

Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by duxup on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @03:47PM (#30278266)
>have authority to ban federal employees from using an app

Not sure what we're talking about at this point. Trump's executive orders about tiktok that were thrown out of court were something different.

Trump or just the department who owns a given device can of course say "don't put X on government phones" and so on, but that's way different than what Trump tried and failed to do with tiktok.

Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by seneca on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @11:33AM (#30274639)
The possibility of failure is inherently involved in "attempting". Otherwise it's just "doing".
Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by babypuncher on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @01:35PM (#30276431)
If you attempt something knowing full well it has a 100% chance of failure, was it really a meaningful action?
Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by duxup on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @11:47AM (#30274821)
The failure was known the moment Trump took his action. We're talking about a guy who I don't know if he really even cared if it was legal / carried out or not.
Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by mannerheim on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @11:59AM (#30274958)
Why was it doomed to fail in the courts? Trump banned Huawei with an executive order as well.
Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by duxup on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @12:32PM (#30275377)
The short answer is Trump's order had actual legal grounds to stick as far as Huawei goes.

Regarding Huawei , Trump basically told the Commerce Department to take action, Huawei was already (or was in the process of being) blacklisted by the commerce department, the commerce department does have the legal right to do that given the nature of Huawei's products and sensitivity of communications equipment.

The commerce department doesn't currently (although I believe lawmakers are looking into it) have the authority to simply blanket ban an app like tiktok on a whim / order. They simply can't do that for any old reason the POTUS says.

As I noted in another comment, in the US it does matter HOW you do things, the courts are independent (compared to say China) regardless how "right" someone might be they need to follow the law.

Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by mannerheim on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @12:35PM (#30275415)
My understanding was that the real teeth behind both EOs is that they prohibited American companies from doing business with Huawei and TikTok. So Huawei would not be able to sell through American retailers, and TikTok wouldn't be available in the Apple store or the Play store, and they couldn't get an American CDN.
Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by duxup on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @03:49PM (#30278286)
I think that's just another facet of what a ban would look like.

But as far as tiktok until someone gives the commerce department or someone else new powers, so far that seems out of reach.

Granted, I believe there are efforts to give them that option.

Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by mannerheim on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @03:51PM (#30278318)
Those are the only powers that would be necessary to effectively ban TikTok from the US. Without app store access and without CDNs, TikTok would be dead in the US. And from my understanding of the Huawei situation, doing these by prohibiting US companies from doing business with TikTok is within the power of the President.
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Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by duxup on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:41AM (#30273938)
I honestly can't parse that sentence, it seems pretty loaded to the point that it makes no sense to me.
Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by long_time_gone on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:49AM (#30274059)
> Trump it mobilized the 99% of people who don't have beliefs as much as they have

I thought it was the judicial branch and an injunction that stopped it.

>> On 23 September 2020, TikTok filed a request for a preliminary injunction to prevent the app from being banned by the Trump administration. This request was filed with the District Court for the District of Columbia. The preliminary injunction was approved by Judge Carl J. Nichols on September 27.

Then, the current President rescinded it and ordered an actual review of the risks. Something we probably should have done prior to the attempted banning.

>> In June 2021, President Joe Biden signed an executive order revoking the Trump administration ban on TikTok, and instead ordered the Secretary of Commerce to investigate the app to determine if it poses a threat to U.S. national security.

I'm confused on exactly what you think happened.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_...

Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by wutbrodo on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @04:15PM (#30278586)
Yes, I was being glib, thanks for calling it out.

As the wiki article you shared lays out, there was a decent amount of nonpartisan momentum behind narrower limitations on Tiktok, along with serious consideration of it as a national security threat. Trump's threat of an outright ban immediately polarized the conversation and deflated much of that momentum, helped along by the fact his specific approach and messaging were typically incautious instead of incremental.

The courts did indeed issue an injunction against Trump's EO, and I don't have any reason to believe they were wrong to do so. Biden, again typically, _has_ taken the first steps of an incremental approach towards assessing the risks that tiktok poses. But as implied by the Wikipedia page you linked, we're nowhere near the level of Congressional and institutional attention that we were at in 2019 and 2020, and it's pretty reasonable to attribute this to Trump's engagement with the issue reorienting the political valence of the conversation. Specifically, the "Trump vs tiktok" association is so strong that (eg) a Senator that makes too much noise about it will now be loaded with an association that he may not want.

I actually don't have a strong opinion about tiktok's ban, see risks in both courses of action, and am a fan of the Biden admin's ostensible careful approach. I just resent the degree to which the idiocy of the public drives so many issues further away from thoughtful engagement with reality and towards partisan sportsball.

Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by nsajko on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @10:42AM (#30273944)
Trump tried doing something like that in a predictably half-assed, illegal and obviously inappropriate manner:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok_v._Trump

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%E2%80%93TikTok_co...

Re:TikTok shares your data more than any other app and it’s ... by freebuju on Wednesday February 09, 2022 @11:14AM (#30274369)
This ban was presumably done under the same guises as the one done for Huawei. I don't see anyone shedding tears for Huawei.