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Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by urgentcorrect on Sunday February 06, 2022 @05:00AM (#30231012)
Fossil fuels, specially petroleum, is heavily taxed in all countries. Of every liter of gasoline, approximately 70%-80% of the price goes to taxes.

Also, there's no such thing as EU states, like there's US states. In Europe, there's member countries.

Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by dragonwriter on Sunday February 06, 2022 @05:14AM (#30231082)
> Also, there's no such thing as EU states, like there's US states. In Europe, there's member countries.

The use of “states” for dependent, in some cases also notionally sovereign, subdivisions of certain independent sovereignties notwithstanding, “states” for the independent sovereign subjects of international law in the Westphalian order has been standard usage since before there was a U.S.

There are E.U. states, but they aren't like U.S. states, because the E.U. is an international union, not a state itself.

Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by TazeTSchnitzel on Sunday February 06, 2022 @05:20AM (#30231131)
Indeed the use of “state” to refer to US states is probably a legacy of when the US states were (sovereign) states.
Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by kwhitefoot on Sunday February 06, 2022 @06:14AM (#30231446)
Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by Muromec on Sunday February 06, 2022 @05:39AM (#30231246)
>Also, there's no such thing as EU states, like there's US states. In Europe, there's member countries.

Well, no. EU treaties to refer to them as member states.

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:...

Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by ben_w on Sunday February 06, 2022 @05:19AM (#30231118)
A quick search through the source document linked from the article [0] says they indeed account for petroleum etc. taxes.

Also, while EU “member states” have much more power than US states (including the ability to leave), they are “states” in the general sense of the word[1].

[0] Page 34: https://www.eca.europa.eu/Lists/ECADocuments/RW22_01/RW_Ener...

[1] e.g. use of phrase "EU State aid" by the EU itself.

Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by urgentcorrect on Sunday February 06, 2022 @06:07AM (#30231398)
the way it works is that oil is taxed let's say at 100% markup, and then temporarily the government decreases it to 80%, creating a 20% subsidy

so the report will claim that oil is heavily subsidised. Ridiculous

Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by Retric on Sunday February 06, 2022 @06:33AM (#30231585)
Subsidies are a measure of how distorted the market is. If you exempt something from sales tax that would otherwise apply it’s a subsidy because it’s cheaper relative to the rest of the market.

For example, excluding the trucking industry from fuel taxes is a fossil fuel subsidy because fuel taxes are used to pay for roads. The net effect is an increase in the number of trucks vs rail as rail is forced to pay for it’s own infrastructure while trucking would not be. The same applies to EV’s vs ICE as EV’s avoid paying for roads.

Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by maccard on Sunday February 06, 2022 @05:08AM (#30231052)
> Also, there's no such thing as EU states, like there's US states. In Europe, there's member countries.

Countries in the EU are frequently referred to as member states, like in the first line of the article.

Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by marto1 on Sunday February 06, 2022 @05:37AM (#30231233)
> Also, there's no such thing as EU states, like there's US states. In Europe, there's member countries.

I believe the official term is "EU member state".

Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by detaro on Sunday February 06, 2022 @05:20AM (#30231132)
"state" is a very flexible term for many kinds of political entities, including countries, and correctly used here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)
Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by andrepd on Sunday February 06, 2022 @06:35AM (#30231599)
1. Your numbers are incorrect.

2. They would still be way too low to account for all the negative externalities.

Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by legulere on Sunday February 06, 2022 @06:11AM (#30231422)
The taxes are also supposed to finance infrastructure, but they are too low even for that.
Re:15 EU states subsidise fossil-fuels more than renewables by urgentcorrect on Sunday February 06, 2022 @06:16AM (#30231468)
That is irrelevant. Fossil fuels are heavily taxed. Way more than renewables. Period.