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Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by iqanq on Saturday February 05, 2022 @02:33PM (#30224928)
In fact, shouldn't it be the opposite way? Imagine getting vaxxed just so you are forced to stay home or wear a mask everywhere just like everybody else.
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by spookthesunset on Saturday February 05, 2022 @02:51PM (#30225113)
Public health “experts” have done very little to quell fearful vaccinated people. In my opinion some of the worst anti-vaxx propaganda comes right from these health departments.

If you are vaccinated, you are done with the pandemic. Morally, ethically, and practically. You should be allowed to return to actual, pre-pandemic normal. End of story.

Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by verve_rat on Saturday February 05, 2022 @03:08PM (#30225325)
Even if you are vaccinated you can still get sick. The chances are reduced, but you can still end up in hospital, you could still die.

If enough people still get sick at once there could still be a collapse in a local health system due to overloading.

Given the uncertainty with new variations of COVID isn't it better to err on the side of caution and try to protect both the health systems and as many people at once?

Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by carlivar on Saturday February 05, 2022 @03:56PM (#30225912)
No. The time for an abundance of caution was 2020. You can get vaxxed if you want and N95's are effective if you want to protect yourself. Society can't keep dragging this giant "safety" rock behind it forever.
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by NoPie on Saturday February 05, 2022 @03:34PM (#30225640)
It all depends on what are the numbers. In any case before deciding on vaccine mandates, certain conditions have to be satisfied:

1. Will the mandate increase vaccine uptake?

2. Will the mandate prevent overloading hospitals and clinics?

3. Are the health benefits for others proportionate to the risks for vaccinated?

4. Are less restrictive policies available that can achieve similar outcomes?

The UK decided to go with without vaccine mandates. They even revoked them for healthcare workers because with omicron variant they no longer made sense.

I am not saying what Canada should do, but at this moment vaccine mandates don't really seem worth to truckers, if not for all people.

Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by Method-X on Saturday February 05, 2022 @03:43PM (#30225752)
Everything you said is fantasy speculation. Counties and States that have moved on are doing just fine.
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by coryrc on Saturday February 05, 2022 @03:31PM (#30225600)
All of that was true with the flu and vaccinated people are not any more at risk from covid than flu. Why the permanent change?
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by NoPie on Saturday February 05, 2022 @03:42PM (#30225742)
In fact, the UK health authorities argued that flu vaccine mandates make more sense for hospital workers than covid vaccine mandates with omicron.
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by mcphage on Saturday February 05, 2022 @03:08PM (#30225320)
> If you are vaccinated, you are done with the pandemic. Morally, ethically, and practically. You should be allowed to return to actual, pre-pandemic normal. End of story.

What if you have children who are not yet eligible for the vaccine?

Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by ctoth on Saturday February 05, 2022 @03:33PM (#30225634)
Then you look at the data and see that:

"Covid-19 has killed 280 children under 18 from January through September 2021, the time span in which the alpha and delta variants were active. Flu and pneumonia, heart disease, drowning, guns, and motor vehicles were all deadlier to children during the same time periods annually from 2015 to 2019 (the latest years with available data)[0]."

[0]: https://www.vox.com/22699019/covid-19-children-kids-risk-hos...

Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by lancesells on Saturday February 05, 2022 @04:35PM (#30226373)
While I agree that it seems children are very low risk you have to remember they are partly lower because of the precautions taken(lockdowns, mandates, vaccines, masks, fear, etc). We don't know the "normal" death rate for Covid just yet.
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by mcphage on Saturday February 05, 2022 @05:52PM (#30227148)
How many people have children infected, though? It doesn’t get to them and stop. Kids are very good at spreading germs.
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by coryrc on Saturday February 05, 2022 @03:32PM (#30225611)
Children are not any more at risk from covid than the flu (even less, I believe) yet never before did we have these restrictions.
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by yreg on Saturday February 05, 2022 @03:45PM (#30225780)
How do you know the long term effects?
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by Method-X on Saturday February 05, 2022 @04:20PM (#30226195)
I’m vaccinated. How do you know the long term effects of mRNA vaccines?
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by yreg on Sunday February 06, 2022 @04:01AM (#30230658)
The Bayesian probability leans heavily toward the vaccine being safe and the virus dangerous.

From what we are seeing the vaccine side effects are similar but considerably milder and short term, the virus sometimes has long term negative effects (lung capacity, fatigue, weakness, inability to concentrate…)

Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by coryrc on Saturday February 05, 2022 @06:03PM (#30227250)
We have a long history with coronaviruses. I doubt you worried about any of the others before.
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by Method-X on Saturday February 05, 2022 @03:44PM (#30225775)
COVID is at most as dangerous as a normal cold for kids. This is a fact. It’s not even controversial.
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by mcphage on Saturday February 05, 2022 @05:51PM (#30227130)
Children are good at infecting others, for whom it may not be so harmless.
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by Method-X on Saturday February 05, 2022 @05:58PM (#30227207)
If an at-risk adult doesn't want to get vaccinated at this point, it's on them. Enough with this lunatic safetyism already.
Re:Florida governor to investigate GoFundMe over Canada truc... by mcphage on Saturday February 05, 2022 @09:32PM (#30228711)
If you made a list off the lunatic safetyism that kids have to put up with these days, I don’t think wearing masks would even make the short list. There’s a lot.