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Re:Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes by derbOac on Saturday February 05, 2022 @08:44AM (#30220901)
All of this surprises me at some level, this cultural tendency toward censorship. It's not even really about whether it's in Spotify, Twitter, YouTube's rights to do it as private companies, it's why do some feel this need to do it at all?

Is Joe Rogan really the problem? If you don't like it, don't listen to it. I don't.

Someone else framed this in terms of centralized vs decentralized distribution, which brings up a lot of important considerations — if Neil Young or Joni Mitchell would just distribute their songs themselves, they wouldn't have to issue an ultimatum. Likewise, if Rogan did so he wouldn't be the target of censorship.

But why isn't Young making that his hill? He doesn't care about freedom of speech, he just wants his ascendant. And Spotify could do what used to seem to me to be common sense, support its artists and drop those calling for restrictions on other artists' works.

This is a bad cultural route we're headed down. It doesn't go anywhere well. "Cancel culture" became a sort of buzzy topic of conversation, but it's a real problem and goes deeper than the referent of that catchphrase.

Re:Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes by AmazingTurtle on Saturday February 05, 2022 @09:19AM (#30221212)
Yeah I've encountered people that tell me "it's their choice if they leave spotify if rogan wasn't censored" like that wasn't a prime example of cancel culture. The worse thing is that they think they are in the right. Eventually you if you can convince them that its censorship, they will counter that there was nothing wrong with censoring people "[... because of x]". No reason or whatsoever legitimates censorship in my opinion.

I also get cancelled on several forums on a regular basis when I say bad things about pharmaceutical companies or against government etc. even if it's completely neutral. I've seen all reasons already to censor me: - insults - conspiracy - talking about controversial topics in general

none of those were true, ever..

Re:Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes by MattRix on Saturday February 05, 2022 @09:53AM (#30221620)
It’s not censorship, nobody is saying he can’t go and do his podcast on his own site. Those artists just don’t want to be associated with him. They don’t want to be earning Spotify money that goes to Rogan. I respect their actions completely.

Also “cancel culture” is mostly not a bad thing, it’s more like “consequence culture”. The people who find themselves “cancelled” almost always still end up with large platforms.

Re:Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes by steelstraw on Saturday February 05, 2022 @10:39AM (#30222109)
I'm surprised to see these talking points still being repeated. They were plausible a few years ago, but now? Just silly.

> The people who find themselves “cancelled” almost always still end up with large platforms.

Survivorship bias. Most of the people who get cancelled just disappear. They don't have FU money or a big following. We only keep hearing about the few who are too big to cancel.

Plus you're not taking into account how much of a chilling effect all of this has. Many people are now self censoring. That has a regressive effect on society. We can't progress without free and open exchange of ideas.

Re:Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes by MattRix on Sunday February 06, 2022 @12:06AM (#30229642)
The ones who “just disappear” aren’t actually losing much. If they don’t have a platform in the first place then how much does getting cancelled actually matter? That’s why I’m talking about the popular ones.

I don’t buy the idea that the supposed “chilling effect” is a bad thing. If “self censoring” means there are fewer people spreadinf misinformation, then I’m all for it.

Re:Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes by naasking on Saturday February 05, 2022 @10:27AM (#30221976)
That's incorrect. No matter where Rogan hosts his content, these people will go after him. They've pressured AWS, CloudFlare and others before too, with some success.
Re:Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes by ghaff on Saturday February 05, 2022 @09:58AM (#30221675)
I do think that there is a certain mob aspect to it which is... uncomfortable. And when the affected people don't really have agency unlike in this case (i.e. some 20-something posts something dumb on social media that embarrasses their employer and they get fired because that's the easiest thing for their company to do), that's even more uncomfortable.

But ultimately individuals can't and shouldn't be prevented from doing anything they want within the bounds of law.

Re:Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes by gregors on Saturday February 05, 2022 @01:17PM (#30223943)
This is not "political censorship" this is "corporate censorship", at least be precise about what you are saying. It's absolutely within their right to self censor their product.
Re:Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes by ghaff on Saturday February 05, 2022 @09:54AM (#30221633)
>The worse thing is that they think they are in the right.

Are you suggesting that I, as a consumer, am in the wrong for choosing which companies I do business with?