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Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by greatpostman on Friday February 04, 2022 @02:47AM (#30203965)
I’ll be honest, I learned an absurd amount. Like more in those six months than in four years if previous work. It was real software development, with actual distributed systems problems. But was also scarring, I have huge trust issues with management now
Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by mytailorisrich on Friday February 04, 2022 @03:03AM (#30204073)
> But was also scarring, I have huge trust issues with management now

This is the normal approach. You are experienced and wise now.

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by pm90 on Friday February 04, 2022 @04:20AM (#30204577)
Is it really? Seems an unnecessarily stressful way to get experience.

I kinda agree with the OP, I would have a lot of trust issues with management if they pulled this shit on me.

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by urthor on Friday February 04, 2022 @06:20AM (#30205422)
I'm convinced human beings are naturally designed to operate at 120% for 6-12 week long periods. \

Hunter gatherer survivalist genes just kick in.

YMMV, but I consider it a healthy thing for, at least for some part of your career, to work "Amazon hard." Aka, all the reasons that people list when they say you should really try working for a startup.

When you push yourself to your limits at your profession, a lot of stuff clicks into place and you learn so much.

You can't procrastinate, you can't do it wrong, there just isn't the time.

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by np- on Friday February 04, 2022 @07:23AM (#30205875)
> When you push yourself to your limits at your profession, a lot of stuff clicks into place and you learn so much.

Maybe a cynical take, but if you’re pushing limits then you’re probably just learning the right corners to cut, shortcuts to take, and how to exploit/manipulate people to get what you want fast. If you didn’t learn any of that, then—well, someone else just learned all that at your expense and you’re setting yourself up to just be exploited again and again.

> there just isn't the time

Yeah, that’s the root cause. Why is there no time? Is someone’s life on the line for this deadline or is it just that the manager is eyeing a sweet bonus for delivering early. 99.9% of the time it’s the latter. So why learn how to get manipulated? Learning to work at a consistent pace is far more sustainable. Tortoise and the hare.

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by LadyCoconut on Friday February 04, 2022 @10:22AM (#30207890)
Human beings are not designed to operate at 120% for 6-12 week long periods; they're designed to survive it. The difference is important.

Working at such a rhythm helped me learn much. It also durably damaged my body (both because it chipped away at my health and because it made me forego health check-up), my mental health, and made me lose personal connections. To this day, I'm still picking up the pieces.

Human beings are also "designed" to survive long period of hunger if need be, but no one would argue that going without for a week is a fine and healthy way to lose weight.

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by urthor on Saturday February 05, 2022 @01:35AM (#30218403)
I think that's a good point.

I guess I should say the healthy thing to do is to work at 100% of your capacity, whilst going to bed at 9pm and doing 25 minutes of exercise every morning?

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by praptak on Friday February 04, 2022 @06:41AM (#30205543)
It is stupid to work that hard on making a rich asshole even richer.
Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by alecbz on Friday February 04, 2022 @07:48AM (#30206135)
That's just a side effect, not the reason to do it.
Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by antisthenes on Friday February 04, 2022 @05:57PM (#30214658)
> I'm convinced human beings are naturally designed to operate at 120% for 6-12 week long periods. \

The only thing worth working 120% for is raising your newborn child. Or maybe making a civilization-altering breakthrough in the natural sciences, like Fusion energy.

Everything is simply 'meh' in comparison and not worth sacrificing your health for. And I say this as a person who doesn't even particularly like or want kids.

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by southerntofu on Friday February 04, 2022 @05:27AM (#30205035)
> I would have a lot of trust issues with management if they pulled this shit on me.

You should have trust issues with "management" in any corporation because these people have the interest of the shareholders at heart, not of the workers. It's just sad some of us have to go through a traumatic burnout to learn this lesson.

Of course, what i said doesn't apply in a self-organized workers cooperatives where management is the workers.

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by DarylZero on Friday February 04, 2022 @06:56AM (#30205673)
They don't have the interest of the shareholders at heart, they have their own career interests at heart.

The shareholders try to build a social control structure that aligns these, but it never fully succeeds.

Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by southerntofu on Saturday February 05, 2022 @05:50AM (#30219922)
The details can be debated, but to ordinary worker instances both shareholders and management inherit from RichAsshole class who both have the same implementation for the Empathy interface:

    def caresAbout(self, other):
        if type(self) == type(other): return random.choice([True, False])
        return False
Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by mytailorisrich on Friday February 04, 2022 @05:44AM (#30205154)
Yes, exactly my point. I was not commenting that it is normal to have a rather traumatic experience but that it ought to be normal (and frankly, healthy) to have "trust issues with management".
Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by Cthulhu_ on Friday February 04, 2022 @04:55AM (#30204793)
But also scarred and likely burnt out. After that kind of experience, it can take a year or more before you're back to 'normal', if at all.
Re:Amazon Pip Horror Story by bartvk on Friday February 04, 2022 @05:31AM (#30205068)
Are you serious, or sarcastic? I can't tell.