Are they really though? If vaccines work so damn great why do I still need to wear a mask in a place where everybody is vaccinated? And why did Ontario shut down most of the places that required proof of vaccine during this omicron wave? Shouldn't those places be exempt from shutdowns?
If proof of vaccine still requires masking and shutdowns... maybe it isn't a really an effective policy?
One would think that on this forum of all places, people would understand the concept of defence-in-depth. Furrfu…
Besides why does the government get to decide if a vaccinated person has to wear a mask? Makes no sense.
You can add as many layers of defense as you want. Don’t force me to. I’m boosted. I could care less about Covid. If I still have to wear a mask post shot, why the hell did I even bother?
They're to reduce transmission to others. You can call them not good enough but it's a respiratory disease, it's what we've got. The alternative is lockdowns.
> Besides why does the government get to decide if a vaccinated person has to wear a mask?
Why do they get to decide if an unvaccinated person has to wear a mask? You're simultaneously arguing that vaccines are effective and so masks are pointless but also that vaccines are ineffective. Which is it?
> Don’t force me to. I’m boosted. I could care less about Covid.
It's not about you. If the only risk was only to yourself then nobody would care.
> If I still have to wear a mask post shot, why the hell did I even bother?
Because if you get covid you'll have a mild flu instead of being hospitalized or die? You can say it's low chance but 3,000 corpses today I guess were unlucky.
Others can get a vaccine too if it truly helps them or they just want piece of mind. We all have the choice. Transmission no longer matters. It isn’t a problem each individual needs to worry about. It’s not ethical or moral to keep pushing this as the only concern society can focus on. We need to move on.
And you can use scare words like “3000 corpses a day” but that is propaganda and fearmongering. The more scary the wording, the less the words mean to me. Way more than 3000 people die a day. And people die of many things all the time. Death is one of the only things that will happen to us 100%.
Life is way to short to piss away on this. You are free to continue hunkering down in fear. But kindly stop forcing others to cater to your fear. It is quite selfish to ask that, especially given you can get a freely available, highly effective vaccine.
Get your vaccine and move on. Covid ends for you when you stop being afraid of it. It’s actually that simple.
You're confusing emotionally charged, high-impact words with propaganda. Having a policy of talking about the dead in a sterile detached way is also a rhetoric choice that affects perception and is just as much "propaganda" by your own standard.
What you're calling "propaganda" is "using words that make something sound more serious than I think it is" or "using words to make something sound less serious than I think it is."
> Only reason I got the vaccine was I had no reason not to.
That's the reason I wear a mask.
> You are free to continue hunkering down in fear. But kindly stop forcing others to cater to your fear.
The only thing that's being asked of anyone is to get vaccinated, wear a mask indoors, and stay home if you're sick. The first two cost you nothing and you should be staying home with any illness anyway.
> Get your vaccine and move on.
I have moved on, except for wearing a mask when in close contact and having to show proof of it for large events, life has literally gone back to normal.
> To my eyes vaccine mandates are not, in general, human rights violations. They just are not.
We're talking specifically about the Covid vaccine mandates, not mandates in general. I think there's certainly a serious debate to be had on whether these morally questionable Covid policies are human rights violations.
Are chain smokers antisocial ? What about over eating obese ?
I hate risk-adverse fearful societies.
Obesity ... seems like an entirely personal matter, except perhaps in children where they might be considered victims.
Highly infectious viruses several times more harmful than the usual ones are indeed turning the world upside down. I imagine with time most societies will come to accept such things after they've become endemic for a while.
Just like vaccination for Covid is personal. Remember that the vaccine does not prevent transmission of omicron. And that if the vaccine works, if an unvaccinated person transmits the virus to a vaccinated one, there should be no risk, right ?
Also, obese and overweight people account for 50% of hospitalizations in ICU for Covid in France.
To my eyes vaccine mandates are not, in general, human rights violations. They just are not.