News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Settings are not a design failure by XorNot on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @05:25PM (#30184962)
The other problem is that each thing your decide should definitely be "this way and no other" is probably shaving off a different 1% of the population.

I maintain that the Ribbon on office is this problem writ large: I'm sure Microsoft did a lot of user studies, and I'm equally sure that by averaging out all those results they managed to prioritise nothing useful to any actual business - hence why the product feels bizarrely unprofessional these days and is now impossible to configure to suit any specific type of writing.

Re:Settings are not a design failure by p_l on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:14PM (#30185585)
The real trick with Ribbon is that in MS Office it makes it somewhat easier to find functionality (the search interface helps with that) and it tries to expose keyboard shortcuts easier.

AFAIK the research behind the ribbon showed that 1) there was no way to find features easily 2) Main menu was too cluttered and undiscoverable.

Of course if you actually found the features you wanted before that, it was a big negative change.

Re:Settings are not a design failure by mark-r on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:45PM (#30195790)
Paradoxically the ribbon makes harder the one thing it was supposed to make easier. Nothing lines up, so a visual scan of the whole thing is very hard to accomplish.
Re:Settings are not a design failure by kaetemi on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:20AM (#30192034)
In the old interface it may have been hard to find things. But once you found them, they were always in the same place. With modern interfaces, everything jumps around and hides itself depending on some obscure context and the window size.
Re:Settings are not a design failure by cuteboy19 on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:18AM (#30188982)
An easy fix would have been adding tool search functionality like intellij
Re:Settings are not a design failure by p_l on Thursday February 03, 2022 @04:52AM (#30190612)
A crucial part of Ribbon, as implemented by MS Office, is a search interface.

It could be nicer like intellij, but I suspect they hit some threshold of changing keyboard shortcuts and end user reaction.

Re:Settings are not a design failure by CRConrad on Saturday February 05, 2022 @06:47PM (#30227605)
> A crucial part of Ribbon, as implemented by MS Office, is a search interface.

If the search interface was what was missing, why the fuck didn't they just add that to the old menus and toolbars? (Seems to work on many Macintosh applications, doesn't it? And probably some Windows ones too.)

Re:Settings are not a design failure by p_l on Monday February 07, 2022 @07:12AM (#30243712)
Because it wasn't the only thing. Ribbon specifically on MS Office was informed by a lot of data gathered from users and attempting to make functionality more visible (also, it kinda promotes keyboard shortcuts - hit alt and look at ribbon)

Of course a lot of applications later "embraced" Ribbon without all that preparation, and to be quite honest, I don't hear much complaints about Ribbon in Office - outside of nostalgia it's rare.

Re:Settings are not a design failure by CRConrad on Monday February 07, 2022 @01:29PM (#30248948)
Yeah, well, as far as I am concerned, they pretty much failed on the other bits. You not hearing many complaints about it any more is probably because most of us have stopped mentioning it (outside of discussions specifically about it), because nobody gave a shit then either, any more than you do now.