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Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by FireBeyond on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @05:08PM (#30184771)
Automatic emergency braking is a required standard feature in the US.

Forward collision warning became standard in 2016 by at least ten manufacturers: Audi, BMW, Ford, General Motors, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Tesla, Toyota, Volkswagen, and Volvo.

Without speaking to Blind Spot, my Audi does similar intelligent things. If you change lanes next to a vehicle or just in front of it, but you have a positive speed differential, it won't activate. If there is a vehicle in your blind spot approaching you but their speed differential to you is low, it will activate later. If there's a much higher speed differential (say they're in a HOV lane, and you're in a much slower regular lane), it will activate much earlier.

Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by maxdo on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:06PM (#30185485)
It's not about how to calculate it. It' about how can you understand what's around. And Audi is not super good about it. Tesla is far better at understanding the context. This year they will switch to FSD stack. The car will not drive me itself. But security features while driver engaged will have a huge boost. And that will be available for any car that was released from 2015-17 with some minor exceptions. That's how security should be handled.

And yes for these minor exceptions Tesla offers a retrofit.

Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by FireBeyond on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:58PM (#30186201)
> And Audi is not super good about it.

Based on what? "Understanding what is around", and "Tesla is far better at understanding the context" - my Audi has never attempted to drive into stopped traffic.

Your vision (and not just about Audi) that all other manufacturers have these dumb, simple systems and no context of what's going on around is simply, and factually, wrong.

My Audi (and I'm not saying they are the leader, I'm just speaking on them because of my experience) has no fewer than 13 radar sensors around the vehicle and will tell me of incursions into the vehicle's "space". It will recognize that some incursions are more "concerning" than others and alert appropriately.

I really have no idea what you mean by "Audi is not super good" about safety systems.

Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by dmitriid on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:35PM (#30185876)
> And Audi is not super good about it.

You have proof for that statement?

I drive a 2021 Audi A1, the most basic version. From Tesla's safety page, this Audi has:

- Impact protection

- Structural integrity

- Crumple zones

- Lane departure warning/prevention

- Collision detection

- Emergency braking

The only thing it doesn't have is the blind spot sensor. But, again, it's on an entry-level car that costs easily 10 thousand dollars less than the cheapest Tesla.

Ah yeah, and all that works in Swedish conditions where Tesla's would be blind for a significant amount of time (the sun hanging just above the horizon for a prolonged time, an reflecting from a snowy/wet road).

But sure. As maxdo would have us believe, "it's hard to match what Tesla offers".

Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by 9935c101ab17a66 on Friday February 04, 2022 @02:24AM (#30203809)
You still haven’t provided any evidence that suggests Tesla’s have (1) more impactful safety features than other cars in the same class (2) that Tesla’s are safer in general.

Also, if your saying FSD is going finally, finally be properly released this year — I doubt it.

Your strong pro-Tesla bias and your sweeping, unfocused and unsubstantiated allegations against other car makers undermine your argument completely.

Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by macintux on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @05:54PM (#30185334)
> Automatic emergency braking is a required standard feature in the US.

Not currently; I just bought a 2022 Jeep Wrangler that doesn’t have anything of the sort.

Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by dsl on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @06:59PM (#30186215)
It is standard on the Cherokee and Compass. On the Wrangler it is part of the Advanced Safety Group with adaptive cruise control. I think it might have to do with false positives when off-road.
Re:Normalized crash data shows Autopilot is much less safe t... by nanobyte on Wednesday February 02, 2022 @08:54PM (#30187387)
Having driven Audis for years, including an A4, S4, and a recent model A4 (and other models as rentals in Germany), I can tell you definitively that Audi _pales_ in comparison to my Telsa Model Y in terms of safety. It's not even remotely comparable. Until you've driven one on a regular basis, it's hard to explain. They are light years ahead of traditional automakers, to the point of embarrassment.

Suffice it to say, I don't foresee myself ever buying or leasing a BMW or Audi again. Telsa is so far ahead that it probably won't compute unless you've driven one for a while.