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Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by Retric on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:00PM (#30154264)
Several exchange rates have successfully been fixed by being pegged to some other currency or gold for long periods.
Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by WalterBright on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:02PM (#30154292)
Name one.
Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by Retric on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:07PM (#30154363)
Hong Kong dollar. Since 1983 $1 USD = HK$7.80±0.05.
Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by WalterBright on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:14PM (#30154459)
"To keep people from dumping Hong Kong dollars, Hong Kong jacked up overnight interest rates as high as 300 percent last week and to around 20 percent on Monday."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1997/10/30/h...

Not exactly a great example.

Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by Retric on Monday January 31, 2022 @05:10PM (#30155320)
From your article: “If the Hong Kong Monetary Authority had allowed the peg to go, capital flight would ensue and then property prices would tumble. Then there would be massive defaults on mortgages and then the collapse of the banks and then the collapse of the economy," said Joe Zhang, a Hong Kong-based economist with Credit Lyonnais.

Sounds like it was working quite well. Also interest rates as high as 280% only equates to 0.37% that night, considering how short term the disruption they actually survived quite well. The net result the country made out like bandits from the currency traders attack while others fell. “In 1999, the Government started selling those shares by launching the Tracker Fund of Hong Kong, making a profit of about HK$30 billion (US$4 billion).” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_Asian_financial_crisis

Compared to say Thailand's booming economy came to a halt amid massive layoffs in finance, real estate, and construction that resulted in huge numbers of workers returning to their villages in the countryside and 600,000 foreign workers being sent back to their home countries.[33] The baht devalued swiftly and lost more than half of its value. The baht reached its lowest point of 56 units to the U.S. dollar in January 1998. The Thai stock market dropped 75%. Finance One, the largest Thai finance company until then, collapsed.

Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by brimble on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:23PM (#30154605)
That date rings a bell...

Wikipedias

Yeah, that was the so-called "Asian Contagion" financial crisis. IIRC the US dumped a shitload of money into Mexico and maybe some other countries to stop the dominoes falling. Lots of countries had a bad time right around then.

Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by AnimalMuppet on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:29PM (#30154689)
Right, but what point are you making based on that? That fixed exchange rates work, but they come under severe pressure in a crisis? That's actually an argument against fixed exchange rates.
Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by brimble on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:47PM (#30154965)
Lots of countries came under severe pressure in that crisis, and I can't even find evidence that HK was among those worst-affected. I'm saying I'd need to see a lot more than pointing out that late 1997 was a shit year for them, to determine if that was the fault of their currency-pegging. If you are only going to provide a single data point, that's like pointing at the US during the '08 crisis and going "well I guess fiat currency doesn't work!" You're gonna need to connect a lot more dots to make that argument, with that example, because that was just a bad year all around.

Actually, the maybe-relevant part of this is that Thailand kicked it off by screwing up currency-pegging and having to switch to float, which led to a panic. But Hong Kong didn't suffer particularly hard from it, overall, compared to those worst-affected, so using HK in late 1997 as the example of this practice failing still isn't very strong.

(I can't find any mention of the Mexico thing on the Wiki article, but have a weirdly-strong memory of that specific detail being mentioned in an IPE class years and years ago, so either I'm wrong or it's one of those things that's considered a kind of folk-knowledge poli-sci and economics but doesn't make it to places like Wikipedia, some action that "wasn't" directly connected, but [by common understanding of folks in those fields] totally was—further digging reveals an Argentine event in 1998 that did affect Mexico, so I'm guessing that's what I'm recalling and that at the very least that particular professor considered it obviously true that the two events were connected, so presented that as a continuation of the Asian Crisis in late '97)

[EDIT] To be clear I'm not even going hard into the paint for pegging currencies, I just think that's a bad example and that lots of readers may not recall or be aware of the late 90s crises to have context for it, especially fellow US readers.

Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by AnimalMuppet on Monday January 31, 2022 @05:28PM (#30155593)
I'm fairly sure that the fixed exchange rate didn't cause the problems. But I think the interest rate craziness shows that the fixed exchange rate sure didn't help. It took away a knob that they really could have used right then. Since they didn't have it, they had to go insane with the interest rate to try to defend the currency at the fixed price. That didn't make it easier to handle the rest of the crisis.
Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by Retric on Tuesday February 01, 2022 @11:25AM (#30164791)
The interest rate was set in response to a short term economic attack by several investors. But the benefit was consistent outside of that time period.
Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by onaworkcomputer on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:27PM (#30154676)
The Bahamanian dollar has a fixed exchange rate of 1 USD, and I believe this has been the case since 1973. The economic mechanism that allows this to persist is also the one that keeps gift certificates denominated in USD pegged to the USD.
Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by Symbiote on Monday January 31, 2022 @05:27PM (#30155565)
Danish krone, pegged to the Euro.

Bosnian convertible mark, also pegged to the Euro.

Moroccan dirham, another one pegged to the Euro.

There's a whole list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circulating_fixed_exch...

Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by kasey_junk on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:33PM (#30154759)
The US penny is pegged to be 1/100 US dollars and it is force of law that prevents large scale arbitrage of the form in this article.

I’m not sure if you count the penny (or any other US coin) as “successful” or not, but that peg has not led to calamitous money outcomes for the US currency system.

Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by JoeAltmaier on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:46PM (#30154948)
When copper got more valueable, US pennies got melted down. We had to re-mint billions of them in aluminum (electroplated copper to look reddish).
Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by kasey_junk on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:57PM (#30155121)
The zinc majority penny has been more valuable than 1c several times since it was introduced. It was a big story in 2005/2006 as zinc prices surged. Yet there wasn’t large scale arbitrage of this in large part because it was illegal and comes with hefty fines.

It’s also due to the difference not being worth the effort most of the time but that doesn’t change the refutation of the claim that no pegs work. The penny peg works even in a world where the actual utility of a 1/100th usd coin is probably negative.

Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by JoeAltmaier on Monday January 31, 2022 @05:08PM (#30155283)
FWIW You can't conterfeit coins, but you can deface them as I understand it. They're not protected - just currency (folding money).
Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by nkurz on Monday January 31, 2022 @05:29PM (#30155600)
This is generally true, but I think you might be out of date. About 15 years ago, the US government passed a law that specifically prohibited the melting of pennies and nickels for the purpose of selling the materials for profit:

§ 82.1 Prohibitions. Except as specifically authorized by the Secretary of the Treasury (or designee) or as otherwise provided in this part, no person shall export, melt, or treat: (a) Any 5-cent coin of the United States; or (b) Any one-cent coin of the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/31/82.1.

Click "next" on that link for the special exceptions, which do allow for modifying small amounts of these for jewelry or decoration.

Re:Why Henry III's gold penny failed by zenithd on Monday January 31, 2022 @04:39PM (#30154846)
> it is force of law that prevents large scale arbitrage of the form in this article.

This is actually exactly analogous; many people don't realize that the status quo of "multiple denominations" have ancestral ties to bimetallic currencies of the sort covered in this article.

It would have been difficult for Henry III to de facto outlaw smelting of gold coins because the scale of the gold penny's distribution was much smaller (making attribution of a smelting operation much harder), and because the ability to surveil this sort of activity was severely limited by geography.

But melting down US pennies is de jure illegal (nb: only since 2007 [1]) and the number of pennies you'd need to smelt down in order to justify the effort would probably make the sourcing operation noticeable to authorities.

[1] https://www.usmint.gov/news/press-releases/20061214-united-s...